MDDad
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Post by MDDad on Dec 9, 2019 22:27:33 GMT -8
If you really don't see how this doesn't end in civil war, what form to you see that war taking? Do you really see "gun owning folks" shooting their liberal neighbors?
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Post by Credo on Dec 9, 2019 22:37:45 GMT -8
It all comes down to this: any reasonable person can understand that Hunter Biden's position with Burisma while his father was V.P. and the administration's point-man on Ukraine was problematic, giving the appearance of a conflict of interest at the very least--if not smelling like an outright corrupt/sketchy move to curry favor with Joe Biden and the U.S. tax dollars he was in a position to leverage. For God's sake, Hunter Biden was being paid more from Burisma--with no relevant experience--than are board members of Exxon Mobil!!! If the shoe was on the other foot and the actors were Eric Trump or Mike Pence's son, everyone on the Left would be crying foul and calling for immediate investigations--and rightly so.
But instead the Democrats and the mainstream media all say, "nothing to see here," and that merely inquiring about it is enough to impeach the President.
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Post by davidsf on Dec 10, 2019 6:17:19 GMT -8
If you really don't see how this doesn't end in civil war, what form to you see that war taking? Do you really see "gun owning folks" shooting their liberal neighbors? I’m not saying that. I’m saying the divisiveness today is very similar to the set up in 1860-61. No, your hyperbole about gun-owning folks shooting their neighbors (which you have used unsuccessfully before), is not what I see. I see, eventually, the possibility of the various militia marching on DC, over-zealous Antifa types getting violent and starting something that builds to a war of the sides... do you not know there is already talk of secession in several states?
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Post by davidsf on Dec 10, 2019 6:19:24 GMT -8
I just listened to Jerry Nadler announce the articles of impeachment.
He ACTUALLY included Trumps attempt to influence the 2016 election “which congress investigated...”
The only thing missing was a clown face (although Maxine Waters WAS standing right behind him, so maybe that will suffice.
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Post by Bick on Dec 10, 2019 7:02:15 GMT -8
If you really don't see how this doesn't end in civil war, what form to you see that war taking? Do you really see "gun owning folks" shooting their liberal neighbors? I’m not saying that. I’m saying the divisiveness today is very similar to the set up in 1860-61. No, your hyperbole about gun-owning folks shooting their neighbors (which you have used unsuccessfully before), is not what I see. I see, eventually, the possibility of the various militia marching on DC, over-zealous Antifa types getting violent and starting something that builds to a war of the sides... do you not know there is already talk of secession in several states? The violence will be more like the gang wars of the crips and bloods. One side will attack an individual wearing red, and you'll see retaliation on known antifas. I'm guessing some key politicians would be targeted on both sides as well. That would show up as direct assaults, or attacks on offices.
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Post by captaintrips on Dec 10, 2019 7:30:45 GMT -8
Today's impeachment story is this... .. .impeachment Tuesday against President Donald Trump — abuse of power and obstruction of Congress... This may change daily, even hourly at this point But this is the most recent .. Trump abused power and obstructed congress... now, to prove ... ... or come up with something different -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ... House Democrats announced two articles of impeachment Tuesday against President Donald Trump — abuse of power and obstruction of Congress.... www.newsmax.com/politics/articles-obstruction-justice-abuse-of-power/2019/12/09/id/945202/
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Post by davidsf on Dec 10, 2019 7:47:58 GMT -8
I’m not saying that. I’m saying the divisiveness today is very similar to the set up in 1860-61. No, your hyperbole about gun-owning folks shooting their neighbors (which you have used unsuccessfully before), is not what I see. I see, eventually, the possibility of the various militia marching on DC, over-zealous Antifa types getting violent and starting something that builds to a war of the sides... do you not know there is already talk of secession in several states? The violence will be more like the gang wars of the crips and bloods. One side will attack an individual wearing red, and you'll see retaliation on known antifas. I'm guessing some key politicians would be targeted on both sides as well. That would show up as direct assaults, or attacks on offices. It would probably also involve gang wars, but I believe this country’s Militia groups are the smoldering Fire.... these people are so passionate about their beliefs, they are gathering at various spots around the country to train for this very eventuality... im not sure what it will take to ignite them, but so far as I can see, the only thing missing at present is a unifying force or person...
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Post by davidsf on Dec 10, 2019 7:53:47 GMT -8
Today's impeachment story is this... .. .impeachment Tuesday against President Donald Trump — abuse of power and obstruction of Congress... This may change daily, even hourly at this point But this is the most recent .. Trump abused power and obstructed congress... now, to prove ... ... or come up with something different -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ... House Democrats announced two articles of impeachment Tuesday against President Donald Trump — abuse of power and obstruction of Congress.... www.newsmax.com/politics/articles-obstruction-justice-abuse-of-power/2019/12/09/id/945202/Well, the next step in this “evolution” (meaning “invented nonsense”) is for the House to vote on the articles. Ow, I’m hearing some dissent from House Democrats so it remains to be seen if the articles will even proceed to the senate. I believe Pelosi has the votes necessary to further their hate-fest, but at this point, it is not cr certain. what IS certain, once it gets to the Senate, McConnell has stated he will make short work of it: Might not even call any witnesses... ALTHOUGH, I would love for him to call Schiff and force him to testify. different but similar topic: I unferstand there is a move afoot to impeach Schiff, now, for lying to Congress.
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Credo
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Post by Credo on Dec 10, 2019 8:31:39 GMT -8
Ukraine is Russia 2.0; another case built on dunghill of lies, rumors, and omissions of fact.
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Post by Credo on Dec 10, 2019 8:54:45 GMT -8
Schiff is headed for a major fall. I don't know exactly when but it's going to happen.....
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Post by MDDad on Dec 10, 2019 9:13:26 GMT -8
I apologize if I sound obtuse, but just as I don't really understand what you mean by "civil war", I'm equally confused by "war of the sides". If what you envision is hundreds of militia whacko's marching on Washington and clashing with hundreds of Antifa whacko's , or a crips-and-bloods type gang war, I wouldn't consider that a civil war in the normal context of what has happened in other countries...and here a hundred sixty years ago.
Yes, one of them being California.
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Post by tarmac on Dec 10, 2019 9:36:23 GMT -8
Bring on the vote and then the Senate trial. Have every MSM news outlets there like the Watergate days. President Trump loves to play the underdog. It's Trump against the world. The republicans get to make the rules. The republicans get to call the witnesses. The republicans now have the two report of the deep state actions doing back as far as 2010 and that what the republicans can bring up at the trial.
What happen in 2016 US elections in Ukraine? What happen to the 100 billion dollars on loan guarantees for Ukraine in 2016? What happen to the 1.3 billion in cash that went to the Middle East in 2016? The Saudi Arabian purge of 2017.
A trial about stealing money, blackmail and corruption.
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Post by captaintrips on Dec 10, 2019 9:41:11 GMT -8
Today's impeachment story is this... .. .impeachment Tuesday against President Donald Trump — abuse of power and obstruction of Congress... This may change daily, even hourly at this point But this is the most recent .. Trump abused power and obstructed congress... now, to prove ... ... or come up with something different -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ... House Democrats announced two articles of impeachment Tuesday against President Donald Trump — abuse of power and obstruction of Congress.... www.newsmax.com/politics/articles-obstruction-justice-abuse-of-power/2019/12/09/id/945202/Well, the next step in this “evolution” (meaning “invented nonsense”) is for the House to vote on the articles. Ow, I’m hearing some dissent from House Democrats so it remains to be seen if the articles will even proceed to the senate. I believe Pelosi has the votes necessary to further their hate-fest, but at this point, it is not cr certain. what IS certain, once it gets to the Senate, McConnell has stated he will make short work of it: Might not even call any witnesses... ALTHOUGH, I would love for him to call Schiff and force him to testify. different but similar topic: I unferstand there is a move afoot to impeach Schiff, now, for lying to Congress.I suspect there's a lot more to impeach squif & piglousi than there ever was Donald Trump... their ( squif & piglousi's ) offenses have been very much out in the open. But things are different in the sewer - or is it swamp ?? No matter, same basics. Also neverminding the fact that the " media" will play non-stop CYA for them .. squif & piglousi
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Post by captaintrips on Dec 10, 2019 11:38:02 GMT -8
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Post by RSM789 on Dec 10, 2019 22:48:02 GMT -8
If you really don't see how this doesn't end in civil war, what form to you see that war taking? Do you really see "gun owning folks" shooting their liberal neighbors? Here is a scenario that I see playing out. I may be way off, it may happen another way, but it is what I see coming this way. Large liberal communities will continue to ignore the Constitution in order to forward their agenda, like what has happened with the advent of Sanctuary cities. As they push, it will no longer satisfy them to apply these illegalities to themselves, they will want to force other communities to do the same. There will be nearby smaller communities, be it towns, cities, or counties within the same state, that are fairly conservative who will resist. The politicians of the liberal communities will continue to label the "resistors" as evil, bigoted and encourage citizens of their community to "influence" the neighboring communities. That begets mob violence against the smaller communities, who in turn will defend themselves. This gang type violence will lead to conservative people leaving those areas for the security of a more conservative state. The liberal communities, looking at the "forced relocation of evil people" as a victory, will turn their attention from the cleansing of their state to the cleansing of the nation. Now, I expect a response along the lines that I have an overactive imagination. Before you dismiss this, look at what is already happening in California, again using Sanctuary cities as an example. Sanctuary cities, the out & out refusal to implement federal law, is being done by the left. Their illegal action is given a religious euphemism to make it more than just an act, to make it a cause. Gavin Newsome isn't satisfied that some of his cities are Sanctuary cities, he wants to force all of their cities to abide in the illegality. Those that resist have been labeled bigoted & racist. Politicians like Maxine Waters have publicly implored her constituents to chase those who disagree with her out of public facilities. Antifa attacks individuals for the words they say or their political beliefs. Conservatives are fleeing Southern California to more political friendly confines. It is just a matter of time until the left isn't happy that the conservatives have left the state, they want them out of the country. State against state, and if the White house has someone like Kamala Harris in charge, you know whose side she is going to take.
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