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Post by Oakley on Jul 12, 2022 13:08:51 GMT -8
What do you mean by 'foregone' conclusion Bick?
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Post by Bick on Jul 12, 2022 17:00:53 GMT -8
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Post by Oakley on Jul 12, 2022 19:05:21 GMT -8
Fox News had good reasons for being critical of Obama. He was a lousy president.
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Post by Bick on Jul 12, 2022 21:40:13 GMT -8
I guess I don't understand the definition of "bias" then.
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Post by billb on Jul 12, 2022 23:03:28 GMT -8
I think each show on Fox is a little different. For instance - Hannity is more of a RINO show, IMO, while Tucker is not. The Republican leadership (they failed us BTW) will not appear on Tucker, but I do see them on Hannity. Laura, IMO is moving more to Tucker's positions. At least, that is the way it appears to me. Personally, I don't care if they are an R or D. What did they do? Trump did great. Meanwhile, I think the leadership in the House and the Senate are turncoats on those who voted for Trump.
OK, so how good was Trump? He said he would put judges in that would overturn Roe v Wade. For me, the economy is a bigger issue, but wow, the guy knows how to pick judges. His decisions are energy, CRT, Wokeness, etc are in line with my thinking too. My only complaint is his judgement on the vaccines - but to be fair I expected them to work too. I think it is a mistake for Trump to hold them up as a crowning achievement of his Presidency. I think he and the American people have been taken advantage of by big pharma. That is basically where DeSantis has an advantage IMO. Otherwise, Trump was spot on.
Those are my thoughts on the media (FOX) and Trump.
I know someone might say: "Why are you down on the Republican leadership...." There are endless examples. I like Ron Johnson, Rand Paul, Josh Hawley. Those three are great. Ted Cruz is right quite a bit too.
www.alternet.org/2022/04/reporters-kevin-mccarthy-remarks-criticism/
news.yahoo.com/lindsey-graham-criticizes-trump-praises-205437953.html
www.patriotsnet.com/is-mitch-mcconnell-a-republican-or-democrat/
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Post by SK80 on Jul 13, 2022 6:36:27 GMT -8
At least foreign press outlets are reporting what is actually out there before everyones eyes...
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Post by duke on Jul 13, 2022 7:48:54 GMT -8
Fox News had good reasons for being critical of Obama. He was a lousy president. He was also the one who started all of the labeling that the Dems thrive on. Racist, Transphobe, Homophobe, Sexist, Misogynist, etc. |
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Post by Bick on Jul 13, 2022 7:51:31 GMT -8
The point of this thread is media BIAS...not whether or not we agree with their positions, unless that's the new definition of bias.
I thought Trump acted like a childish loudmouth at times, but very much agreed with most of his policies.
I thought Obama was very well spoken for the most part, but didn't agree with most of what he was trying to do.
Trouble with the media is that being reasonable and objective doesn't sell. Blood and acrimony is what moves the needle.
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Post by Bick on Jul 13, 2022 7:54:42 GMT -8
Fox News had good reasons for being critical of Obama. He was a lousy president. He was also the one who started all of the labeling that the Dems thrive on. Racist, Transphobe, Homophobe, Sexist, Misogynist, etc. I agree with this, and it was my biggest disappointment with him. The question is, was Fox balanced in their reporting of him? |
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Post by SK80 on Jul 13, 2022 8:58:02 GMT -8
I remember a time when it was portrayed or remotely possible to believe FOX was biased to the right, MSNBC to the left and CNN was in the middle. Where it all went off track was when CNN moved left of MSNBC. Those two combined with all the other media outlets from newspapers, magazines and social media made FOX appear ever more biased as an outlier.
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Post by Bick on Jul 13, 2022 9:08:23 GMT -8
That could very well be, sk80. There was a time when Elon Musk was also considered center left.
The left race to the edge is creating some interesting dynamics.
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Post by MDDad on Jul 13, 2022 10:07:00 GMT -8
There was a time when Elon Musk was also considered center left. Musk is the perfect example of why political labels are often a poor fit. Tesla has offered to pay for female employees to travel out of state to get abortions. That is farther left than the label "center left" would imply. But Musk has also tried to buy Twitter, saying he would open it up to banned past members including Donald Trump. That is certainly a "right" position. That's why the current efforts of the left to label everyone, fairly or not, is so dangerous. |
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Post by SK80 on Jul 13, 2022 11:59:52 GMT -8
That's why the current efforts of the left to label everyone, fairly or not, is so dangerous. The "LEFT" own "IDENTITY POLITICS". |
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Post by Oakley on Jul 13, 2022 12:26:18 GMT -8
He was also the one who started all of the labeling that the Dems thrive on. Racist, Transphobe, Homophobe, Sexist, Misogynist, etc. I agree with this, and it was my biggest disappointment with him. The question is, was Fox balanced in their reporting of him? I am confused. How is 'balanced' defined as opposed to reporting the 'truth'? Will someone help me out here? I am not asking to be contentious, but want to know so that I can better understand what we are discussing. |
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Post by MDDad on Jul 13, 2022 14:21:04 GMT -8
I'll try to illustrate the difference. Let's assume you and AOC were both arrested for jaywalking across Main St together. Both of your were completely nude at the time of the jaywalking and arrest.
A balanced news report of the truth of what happened might say, "Mr. Oakley and Ms. A-Cortez were arrested today for jaywalking across Main St while both were completely nude."
An unbalanced news report of the same incident might say, "Mr. Oakley and Mrs. A-Cortez were arrested today for jaywalking across Main St. Mr. Oakley is well known as an active participant in several right-wing forums that discuss and champion topics such as the dissolution of the United States into two separate countries. Some anonymous experts also believe he may have links to membership in the Proud Boys and Q-Anon. He was completely nude at the time of his arrest. Ms. A-Cortez, a member of the United States Congress from New York is widely perceived to be not only the brightest star in the constellation of the Democrat Party, but perhaps of the republic as well. It is suspected that she may have been coerced into crossing the street illegally with Mr. Oakley."
Both tell the truth about what happened, i.e. that you were both arrested for jaywalking. But the latter adds editorial comments and unfounded rumors to make you look bad and AOC look good. It also omits the truth that AOC was also naked.
I could just as easily have written this example as Fox News might have reversed the roles, but I think you get the idea.
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