davidsf
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Post by davidsf on Feb 20, 2019 14:56:19 GMT -8
OK, OK, air is all a sham, no substance, zero collusion...
So why, then, do you think Mueller doesn’t just pack it in?
(My opinion, his democrat handlers won’t let him. They want to keep the specter open)
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Post by ProfessorFate on Feb 20, 2019 15:45:17 GMT -8
Some are speculating that Mueller's report could be coming as early as next week. That makes sense to me. Perhaps that's why Rosenstein plans to resign in March.
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duke
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Post by duke on Feb 20, 2019 17:22:18 GMT -8
I heard Rosenstein wants to leave before his new Boss forces him to testify under oath before a Senate Committee. If he's a private citizen, he can plead the 5th.
Mr. Rosenstein, did you suggest that you would wear a secret wire into the White House to secretly record the President? Mr. Rosenstein, did you sign off on the last FISA warrant knowing that it contained uncollaborated information provided by the opposition party? Mr. Rosenstein, did you alert the FISA judge of who provided you with this Dossier which is being used to secure the FISA? Mr. Rosenstein, did Bruce Ohr inform you and McCabe that this Dossier was oppo research?
Just a few of the questions he might expect.
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SK80
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Post by SK80 on Feb 20, 2019 20:08:16 GMT -8
"....They want to keep the specter open" You meant the SPHINCTER!
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Credo
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Post by Credo on Feb 21, 2019 20:41:17 GMT -8
What did Obama know, and when did he know it?
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Post by davidsf on Feb 23, 2019 12:10:41 GMT -8
What did Obama know, and when did he know it? Role? My guess is, it is his plan. NOT that he is smart enough to come up with it on his own, but his handlers fed it to him and he is still implementing it: Overthrow of the duly elected Administration.
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Post by Bick on Feb 23, 2019 20:59:46 GMT -8
What did Obama know, and when did he know it? Role? My guess is, it is his plan. NOT that he is smart enough to come up with it on his own, but his handlers fed it to him and he is still implementing it: Overthrow of the duly elected Administration. While I haven't seen this take before, I'd agree he at least tacitly approved it. But without any semblance of a smoking gun, this comes off as being lumped in the birther bucket. One of my arguments with my friends who lean further right than me, was the constant haranguing of Obama's every move. I thought this only served to distract from what I thought were real arguments - namely the IRS targeting of conservative non-profit groups. Unfortunately, IMO, it seemed the right wing antagonists lost credibility by throwing so many other issues up against the wall, without really following through on any.
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Post by SK80 on Feb 24, 2019 0:10:27 GMT -8
Please via his right hand (The Holder Hand) Obama was in all of this including protecting Hillary..... it just galls me to no end that the Dems never get challenged, investigated, harassed, libeled and get full cover from the media.
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Post by davidsf on Feb 24, 2019 8:49:54 GMT -8
Role? My guess is, it is his plan. NOT that he is smart enough to come up with it on his own, but his handlers fed it to him and he is still implementing it: Overthrow of the duly elected Administration. While I haven't seen this take before, I'd agree he at least tacitly approved it. But without any semblance of a smoking gun, this comes off as being lumped in the birther bucket. One of my arguments with my friends who lean further right than me, was the constant haranguing of Obama's every move. I thought this only served to distract from what I thought were real arguments - namely the IRS targeting of conservative non-profit groups. Unfortunately, IMO, it seemed the right wing antagonists lost credibility by throwing so many other issues up against the wall, without really following through on any. I see all of this as part of that bigger plan. He has so much invested in placating Hillary, he simply cannot just let Trump govern as he insisted we all do for him. Not terribly surprising he’s a hypocrite because he has been tutored to fancy himself one of the elite. But, again, he didn’t come up with this on his own and, by now, I don’t believe he is acting on his own, but more like doing what he’s told as a de facto figurehead of the “anti-Trump movement.” Surely, “they” must be on to Plan B because the Occupy (and other) movement did not convince enough people that wealth = evil and because their plans were all contingent on Hillary winning. just my thoughts, though. As you say, if found at all, that “smoking gun” is very well hidden from view.
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Post by Bick on Feb 24, 2019 10:22:14 GMT -8
The absence of that smoking gun makes it difficult to get past the hurdle of reasonable doubt that would make any conclusion truly actionable. I'm hopeful maintaining that threshold is what separates us from the mob mentality that manifests in the left and the far right.
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Post by davidsf on Feb 24, 2019 12:32:53 GMT -8
The absence of that smoking gun makes it difficult to get past the hurdle of reasonable doubt that would make any conclusion truly actionable. I'm hopeful maintaining that threshold is what separates us from the mob mentality that manifests in the left and the far right. Understood, but I’m not presenting evidence to a jury. im sharing an opinion about someone I’ve never respected with people I do. If it It ever gets to a courtroom, and it won’t, I am content that brains much bigger than mine will have all the evidence nearly packaged.
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Post by Bick on Feb 24, 2019 13:10:44 GMT -8
I concur it was very challenging to maintain a level of respect worthy of the presidency with him, and I was certainly not the poster child of objectivity when discussing him over the years. I'm curious though if there was any strong circumstantial evidence that links him to this Russian issue.
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Post by Credo on Feb 27, 2019 20:27:00 GMT -8
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Post by SK80 on Feb 27, 2019 22:11:53 GMT -8
If I am a Dem or Dim I am thoroughly embarrassed.
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Post by davidsf on Feb 28, 2019 14:52:52 GMT -8
I’m not big on arguing by meme... but I just like this one!
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