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Post by SK80 on Aug 7, 2019 15:09:10 GMT -8
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Post by SK80 on Aug 8, 2019 6:01:05 GMT -8
Lets see if this gets any national news..., nah...., Latino rampage killing 4 randomly and injuring many on slasher rampage. Machete Control Now !!! (By definition the sis a MASS KILLING)4 dead, 2 wounded in Southern California stabbingsapnews.com/5e44f7bd106f4fce8da21c2c11f334fcGarden Grove police stand watch at the scene of a stabbing in Garden Grove, Calif., Wednesday, Aug. 7, 2019. A man killed multiple people and wounded others in a string of robberies and stabbings in California's Orange County before he was arrested, police said Wednesday. (AP Photo/Alex Gallardo)LOS ANGELES (AP) — A man who was “full of anger” went on a two-hour stabbing and robbery rampage in Southern California, killing four people and wounding two others, authorities said Wednesday.
The 33-year-old Garden Grove man was taken into custody after he came out of a 7-Eleven in Santa Ana, southeast of Los Angeles, and dropped a knife along with a handgun that he had taken from a guard, police said.
The violence appeared to be random and the only known motives seem to be “robbery, hate, homicide,” Garden Grove police Lt. Carl Whitney said at a news conference.
“We know this guy was full of anger and he harmed a lot of people tonight,” he said.
The suspect and all the victims were Hispanic, he added.
The attacks on more than a half-dozen places took place over about two hours in Garden Grove and neighboring Santa Ana.
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Post by davidsf on Aug 8, 2019 7:26:31 GMT -8
You remind me of Bev from TOB (intended as humor, not an insult): remember her? A true one-track mind that chronically used THE highest number she could find anywhere for illegals in the U.S., in fact was using “20 million” back in 2006 as I recall. All she ever argued about was what to do about illegal immigration, but she sometimes talked about her turtles hibernating in her back yard or sunroom... im sure you’re not her, RSM: I’ve never heard you mention turtles even once. 😄 I have two turtles in my back yard, and I think there are 30 million illegals in the US (Most of them in California). Maybe I'm Bev. Uh-huh... Didn't Bev have two turtles in her back yard, too? 😳
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Post by MDDad on Aug 8, 2019 10:52:02 GMT -8
So a Latino man goes on a four-hour rampage of violence in Garden Grove last night. He stabs six people with a knife, killing four of them. Oddly enough, there has been no conjecture in the media today about whether he may have harbored Brown Supremacist or Brown Nationalist sympathies, or about the need for stricter knife control laws. Why is that?
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Post by RSM789 on Aug 8, 2019 11:22:26 GMT -8
Viva La Raza!!
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Post by davidsf on Aug 8, 2019 12:54:22 GMT -8
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Post by davidsf on Aug 9, 2019 9:15:19 GMT -8
The House of Representatives passes HR 8 with a vote of 240-190, so I suppose it was pretty much along party lines. I just read the text of HR 8 online and, but for it places an extra layer of regulation on established businesses, I don’t see what’s wrong with it. McConnell blocked it being considered in the Senate and now, of course, they are on Summer break. What are your thoughts?
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Post by Credo on Aug 9, 2019 11:51:41 GMT -8
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Post by RSM789 on Aug 9, 2019 12:07:53 GMT -8
... but for it places an extra layer of regulation on established businesses, I don’t see what’s wrong with it. What are your thoughts Any legislature that attempts to solve a social problem by adding layers of regulation to business has these problems; - It puts another burden on a business that has nothing to do with that business's scope or mission. By itself, it may not seem like much, but these layers never get removed, they just keep getting added, layer upon layer;
- It drives up the costs of goods & services in that industry, reducing the consumers buying power & effectively taxing them for the implementation of the regulation;
- It never solves the problem in the long run, for business's will look for ways to cut corners of the regulation and government bureaucrats are typically more interested in covering their asses than enforcing regulations to achieve the goal at hand. Look at the hiring regulations put on business's in the late 1980's. They created extra work for HR departments, many companies began ignoring parts of the regulations to gain a competitive advantage, government agencies rarely enforced the regulations and they never accomplished the job they were intended to do (reduce the flow of illegal aliens).
It is a complete & utter waste of time.
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Post by davidsf on Aug 9, 2019 12:44:35 GMT -8
... but for it places an extra layer of regulation on established businesses, I don’t see what’s wrong with it. What are your thoughts Any legislature that attempts to solve a social problem by adding layers of regulation to business has these problems; - It puts another burden on a business that has nothing to do with that business's scope or mission. By itself, it may not seem like much, but these layers never get removed, they just keep getting added, layer upon layer;
- It drives up the costs of goods & services in that industry, reducing the consumers buying power & effectively taxing them for the implementation of the regulation;
- It never solves the problem in the long run, for business's will look for ways to cut corners of the regulation and government bureaucrats are typically more interested in covering their asses than enforcing regulations to achieve the goal at hand. Look at the hiring regulations put on business's in the late 1980's. They created extra work for HR departments, many companies began ignoring parts of the regulations to gain a competitive advantage, government agencies rarely enforced the regulations and they never accomplished the job they were intended to do (reduce the flow of illegal aliens).
It is a complete & utter waste of time.
Did you read the legislation or is this off the top of your head as a general statement. i do agree with what you point out, but I also see, in the regulation, a potential revenue stream for that licensed gun business... which would, of course, add a “tax” of sorts to the seller’s merchandise.
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Post by RSM789 on Aug 9, 2019 15:45:54 GMT -8
No, I didn't read it, it was a general statement.
In California, there is an "Electronic Waste Recycling Fee" that was legislated into life in the last part of last decade. It is a tax added to every television purchase that was designed to be paid to recyclers so that they could pickup old TV's to be recycled at no cost to the person getting rid off the TV (TV's are now considered to be hazardous waste, so no hauling them off to the dump). The idea was that if people had to pay a fee to recycle TV's, they would just throw them away, so by putting the fee on the front end, you pay for the recycling and keep TV's out of the landfills.
The initial fees were $5, $10 or $15 depending on the size of the TV. Within 2 years, they went up to $25, $30 & $35 as recycling costs increased. Then, after another couple of years, they dropped and are now at $5, $6 & $7. Why the drop? Well, the fees weren't covering the recyclers costs, so the recyclers began charging to come pick up the TV's. In essence, the fee at the purchase of the TV was no longer needed because the recyclers were charging market prices for their service. Most likely, a percentage of TV's were ending up in the dump, thrown away by people that didn't want to pay for their disposal. The whole program has failed except for one part - charging & collecting of the fees.
As a retailer, I get paid 3% of all of the fees collected for the year (actually, they just have us send in 97% of what was collected). I have access to that money for up to 12 months, because the fees aren't collected by the state until the start of the year. So as a retailer, I am being paid for doing paperwork by the state and having free cash flow use of tax funds of a fee that has no purpose anymore...
Hence my general distrust of additional regulations.
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Post by RSM789 on Aug 11, 2019 9:31:37 GMT -8
I heard a pro gun control person make the argument this morning that other countries have people with mental illness, they have violent video games & movies, all of the factors that the United States has, but since they have gun control, they don't have mass shootings. it was her contention that the only difference between the US & other countries is the access to firearms, so that is the sole cause of mass shootings.
Setting aside the studies that dispute that and the reasons why the 2nd amendment exists, I believe she missed one important area. Countries in Europe & around the world do have mental health issues like the United States does, but the difference is how they deal with it. Whereas threats to society are removed from society elsewhere, those with mental issues in the United States are allowed to be part of society. It is not a coincidence that two big problems in our society, homelessness and mass shootings, are a direct result of having mentally disable people mixed into our society and how continually enabling them creates chaos. Until that is changed, mass homelessness and mass shootings will continue.
I am not advocating for facilities that administer "One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest" type procedures, rather a return to the time where mentally ill people who could not function in our society were removed from it. Civil society demands members who agree to the social construct it puts forth and mentally ill people do not agree to that. Separate them from society, in a caring and empathetic manner, but get them away from the rest of us who they are killing and creating havoc among.
By the way, I don't believe those on the left would agree to this solution. A majority of the mentally ill (2 out of 3?) have left leaning ideology, so those on the left would consider this solution to be political in nature.
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Post by MDDad on Aug 11, 2019 9:51:36 GMT -8
It seems we all want to find THE cause of gun violence and mass shootings. The problem is that there isn't one cause - there are many of them. Wanting to institutionalize the mentally ill while allowing civilian possession of assault weapons is no more or less a solution than wanting to eliminate firearms while allowing the mentally ill to wander the streets unchecked. We have the best of both worlds: We have untreated crazy people free to do as they please in a society that has 320 million firearms floating around. What the hell do we expect to happen in this scenario?
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Post by Bick on Aug 11, 2019 10:36:07 GMT -8
If we're trying to prevent gun violence, wouldn't it make sense to go back to the point where the incidence of gun violence increased, and evaluate the changes made just prior to and since that point?
Has the number of guns per capita changed significantly in the past 50 years?
How about legal access to guns?
How about fatherless children?
Reduced prison stays for convicted felons?
Proliferation of graphic violence in movies and video games?
You're right MDD, there's no one fix. But it seems the # of guns isn't the most culpable reason.
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Post by RSM789 on Aug 11, 2019 11:16:17 GMT -8
It seems we all want to find THE cause of gun violence and mass shootings. The problem is that there isn't one cause - there are many of them. Wanting to institutionalize the mentally ill while allowing civilian possession of assault weapons is no more or less a solution than wanting to eliminate firearms while allowing the mentally ill to wander the streets unchecked. We have the best of both worlds: We have untreated crazy people free to do as they please in a society that has 320 million firearms floating around. What the hell do we expect to happen in this scenario? You are correct that all mass shootings (or stabbings as happened in Garden Grove last week) don't have a single cause. The San Bernadino shooting was a terrorist act, having mentally ill people out of society would not have stopped it. However, 100% of these attacks are done by people who choose not to obey our societies rules. Some of those are criminals (be it terrorists or thugs), most of those are mentally ill. Taking people who choose to not be part of our society, for whatever reason, and keeping them away from the rest of us is the best solution to coming close to eliminating crimes with mass number of victims. Keep criminals in jail, keep mentally ill away from society. Mentally ill people without firearms will still kill multiple people, we had an example just this week. Criminals will not obey laws, so outlawing guns will not stop them from killing people. Guns in the hands of law abiding, mentally stable individuals do not result in mass killings. I believe NRA members still have 0% participation in mass killings. If you have multiple dogs and one keeps biting people who visit your property, you don't remove the teeth of the all the dogs. You remove the dog that won't abide by the rules that the other dogs do. The other dogs still have the weapon (teeth), but they are not a threat to people on your property. If you have multiple sons and one of them rapes a woman, you don't castrate all of your sons. You remove the offending son from society. The other sons still have the weapon (their wiener), but they are not a threat to rape If you have multiple priests and one of them molests a child, you don't remove the clergy's access to its parishioners. You should remove that priest from society (as opposed to give him a new set of victims). The other priests still have the weapon (access to children), but they are not a threat to them. Do you need any more examples?
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