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Post by MDDad on Aug 13, 2019 21:31:15 GMT -8
Racism used to have a specific meaning -- the belief that one race is superior or inferior to another, and to act on that belief. Today's left has so broadly bastardized the term to mean anything they want it to mean, that it has taken all the starch out of the word.
So no, under the real definition of the term, calling an effing graffiti tagger an "effing beaner" is not racist.
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Post by Credo on Aug 13, 2019 22:00:01 GMT -8
If everything is racist, nothing is racist.
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Post by davidsf on Aug 14, 2019 5:55:27 GMT -8
If everything is racist, nothing is racist. Incredible(s) |
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Post by Luca on Aug 19, 2019 16:39:09 GMT -8
It sort of the same thing with the word "fascist" now. I know what I mean when I use the term but I don't know what anybody else means when they use it.
I'm not sure any 20-something really knows the meaning of the word anymore or where it came from. They just know it's a pejorative they can throw out there so they can call themselves an "anti-fascist" which – whatever it means – presumably is a good thing to be............Luca
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Post by Bick on Aug 19, 2019 17:20:23 GMT -8
But if you're an anti-anti-fascist, wouldn't you then be twice as good?
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Post by Luca on Aug 19, 2019 17:41:46 GMT -8
No, because the two anti's would cancel each other out and you'd still be a fascist. And we still wouldn't know what the hell that means.......................Luca
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Post by Credo on Aug 19, 2019 20:53:49 GMT -8
Every Republican president since the 1970s has been called a fascist. Ironic, no? After all, fascism has its roots in the left. Dinesh D'Souza, author of The Big Lie, explains the intellectual origins of fascism as rooted in the thought of Italian philosopher Giovanni Gentile (1875-1944). Benito Mussolini first implemented this program in Italy in the 1920's.
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Post by Bick on Aug 20, 2019 6:28:16 GMT -8
I hadn't heard a cogent description of what fascism is before this. Are there any others out there?
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Post by davidsf on Aug 20, 2019 6:50:56 GMT -8
It sort of the same thing with the word "fascist" now. I know what I mean when I use the term but I don't know what anybody else means when they use it. I'm not sure any 20-something really knows the meaning of the word anymore or where it came from. They just know it's a pejorative they can throw out there so they can call themselves an "anti-fascist" which – whatever it means – presumably is a good thing to be............Luca You nailed it: They neither know nor care what a given slur actually means! They just want to call someone something “bad.” The hope USED to be name calling and shouting would shut down the opponent, and that is how TOB always used it. However, the liberal politicians started using a different tac: The pejorative (usually a non sequitur) was an attempt to deflect attention from their own behavior, frequently to beat their opponent(s) from identifying the behavior in themselves. from these early roots, we got their indignant reactions when we didn’t like something Obama did (which they branded “hate”), but acceptance of actual hatred of this current presidency. Charges of hypocrisy are ignored... UNTIL they want to charge a conservative with hypocrisy... straight out of Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals. |
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Post by Credo on Aug 20, 2019 12:35:55 GMT -8
I hadn't heard a cogent description of what fascism is before this. Are there any others out there? Fascism and Socialism are merely two sides of the same coin. Both believe in government control over society; fascism merely differs by allowing for private enterprise (under strict regulation) while socialism promotes state ownership of industry. The idea that the two ideologies are opposites is a myth spun by socialists to avoid being associated with the discredited regime of Hitler--who was in actuality a Leftist. Ronald Reagan gave a nice summary of the connection between fascism and liberalism in this 1975 interview on 60 Minutes. |
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Post by Luca on Aug 20, 2019 15:12:23 GMT -8
I don’t know that I would equate the two, Credo.
Fascism as popularized by Benito Mussolini is a centralized, undemocratic, authoritarian government that is based on extreme nationalism. The citizen is expected to serve the interests of the state rather than the other way around and the country is generally going have a militaristic, police state atmosphere.
Socialism shares the centralized (to the point of authoritarian) government and to a degree expects the citizen to subjugate his good (in the form of private property) to that of the population at large, but socialism does not imply an undemocratic leadership, or nationalism or militarism.
With fascism you think of Il Duce’s Italy, Nazi Germany, Saddam Hussein’s Iraq, etc. Socialism doesn’t have all that much in common with those entities………………………………….Luca
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Post by Credo on Aug 20, 2019 15:50:34 GMT -8
True, there are some genuine differences, but I would argue that at their heart they both have the same essential aim: massive control by a centralized state, which is anathema to the founding and the spirit of American.
They're definitely a whole lot more similar to each other than either one of them is to our own--albeit degenerated--constitutional republic. At the very least, fascism and socialism are cousins; liberal democracy isn't even in the same family tree. And of course we all know that NAZI was shorthand for National Socialism.
In any case, there is not a single elected official today with any following who is promoting the principles of fascism in the United States, whereas practically the entire 2020 Democratic hopefuls, the universities, and the mainstream media are pushing the ideas of socialism.
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Post by Credo on Aug 20, 2019 18:06:39 GMT -8
"Racism" is the new "Russia." That is, a grotesque hoax employed by the Left and its compliant media for no other reason than to tar Donald Trump and his supporters--and like the the first hoax, it will collapse on the sharp rocks of reality.
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Post by davidsf on Aug 21, 2019 7:27:11 GMT -8
Local politician, Jennifer Jazmin Carrillo, an activist who moved into a ward just ahead of the deadline to run for the city council, bussed in hundreds of students from the local college to vote for her and still only won by 11 votes... is on record supporting illegals (of whom, she is rumored to be one), and re-defines racism in a Facebook-Live clip this morning: www.facebook.com/100013514252107/posts/726525564474579?sfns=moApparently a Facebook video clip won’t appear, but you can find it on Facebook on Jennifer Carrillo’s Facebook page if you’re interested. She basically says everything you know about racism is wrong, and white people (of whom she is one) are the only ones who can be racist. |
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Post by Bick on Aug 21, 2019 8:00:47 GMT -8
Credo - in their non-corrupted form, wouldn't communism and fascism be comparable extremes, and capitalism / socialism be slightly watered down versions of the 2?
I'm still trying to connect the dots between fascism and capitalism as both being on the same side of the coin. It would seem like anarchism would be the extreme form of capitalism, and fascism, communism and socialism all reside on the other, given the prominent role the gov't plays in each of those ideologies.
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