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Post by MDDad on Aug 21, 2019 8:12:35 GMT -8
In my experience, capitalism doesn't belong in the comparison because it is a purely economic system that does not address government or the state, while the other three do.
Fascism and communism use very similar methodologies. However, in fascism the state is the supreme power and arbiter of economic and social activity, while in communism the state eventually becomes irrelevant and fades away. In that way they are opposites.
And socialism has become a term so bastardized and watered down by the left that it has very little common meaning at all anymore. Nations like Denmark, Norway and Sweden are fully capitalist countries that have imposed a crushing tax burden in order to provide a cradle-to-grave nanny state. If that's what people call socialism, the term means nothing.
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Post by Bick on Aug 21, 2019 9:09:22 GMT -8
In my experience, capitalism doesn't belong in the comparison because it is a purely economic system that does not address government or the state, while the other three do. Fascism and communism use very similar methodologies. However, in fascism the state is the supreme power and arbiter of economic and social activity, while in communism the state eventually becomes irrelevant and fades away. In that way they are opposites. And socialism has become a term so bastardized and watered down by the left that it has very little common meaning at all anymore. Nations like Denmark, Norway and Sweden are fully capitalist countries that have imposed a crushing tax burden in order to provide a cradle-to-grave nanny state. If that's what people call socialism, the term means nothing. Don't all of them deal with economic activity at their core? If not, which of them would address or include capitalism at their core. Better yet, which of them does not include it? WikipediaDictionary |
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Post by Luca on Aug 21, 2019 12:33:19 GMT -8
In my experience, capitalism doesn't belong in the comparison because it is a purely economic system that does not address government or the state, while the other three do. Fascism and communism use very similar methodologies. However, in fascism the state is the supreme power and arbiter of economic and social activity, while in communism the state eventually becomes irrelevant and fades away. In that way they are opposites. And socialism has become a term so bastardized and watered down by the left that it has very little common meaning at all anymore. Nations like Denmark, Norway and Sweden are fully capitalist countries that have imposed a crushing tax burden in order to provide a cradle-to-grave nanny state. If that's what people call socialism, the term means nothing. Yeah, I think we're confusing political systems with economic systems. Capitalism and socialism are economic systems. They can exist within different political systems. Fascism is simply a political system. You could in theory have a fascist political system that economically is either capitalistic or socialistic. Communism is both, in reality if not theory. It was intended as an economic system but de facto requires a pretty authoritarian political system to keep it functioning. "………….while in communism the state eventually becomes irrelevant and fades away………."That is entirely true, as experience shows. Just not in the way that Karl Marx intended……………………………..Luca |
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Post by Credo on Aug 21, 2019 15:55:16 GMT -8
"………….while in communism the state eventually becomes irrelevant and fades away………."That is entirely true, as experience shows. Just not in the way that Karl Marx intended……………………………..Luca Mikhail Gorbachev would second that thought.  |
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Post by Bick on Aug 21, 2019 16:06:31 GMT -8
The Wikipedia definition of the Socialist Economic System is interesting.
I'd really be interested to have the staunchest / most educated advocate of this explain how the incentive to be better / more efficient factors into the calculus of this approach.
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Post by Credo on Aug 21, 2019 16:21:26 GMT -8
The Wikipedia definition of the Socialist Economic System is interesting. I'd really be interested to have the staunchest / most educated advocate of this explain how the incentive to be better / more efficient factors into the calculus of this approach. Production for direct use is just fine within a nuclear family or a monastery; on a societal basis, however, the elimination of a profit motive would bring us into something close to a subsistence economy--which is the direction in which most socialist systems end up: equality of poverty and misery for the masses; opulence for the politically connected cabal who run the whole scam. |
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Post by Credo on Aug 21, 2019 16:23:26 GMT -8
Now getting back to the topic of the thread. This should put the whole "racism" hysteria propagated by white liberals to rest:
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Post by MDDad on Aug 21, 2019 18:12:14 GMT -8
The Wikipedia definition of the Socialist Economic System is interesting. I'd really be interested to have the staunchest / most educated advocate of this explain how the incentive to be better / more efficient factors into the calculus of this approach. If that's what we are to accept as the definition of socialism (and I think it's kind of a bizarre one) then no country has ever had an economy that comes close to fitting that definition. The closest might have been the war machine economies of Germany and Japan during World War II, but even then there were people and companies that profited from the activity. |
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Post by davidsf on Aug 23, 2019 15:27:48 GMT -8
The Wikipedia definition of the Socialist Economic System is interesting. I'd really be interested to have the staunchest / most educated advocate of this explain how the incentive to be better / more efficient factors into the calculus of this approach. If that's what we are to accept as the definition of socialism (and I think it's kind of a bizarre one) then no country has ever had an economy that comes close to fitting that definition. The closest might have been the war machine economies of Germany and Japan during World War II, but even then there were people and companies that profited from the activity. I don’t know if it was Ronald Reagan but SOMEONE amarte than me noted this very thing, MDDad: Socialism is a great system... on paper. It all falls apart once you get human beings involved. what socialism, the theory, doesn’t anticipate is the elite class controlling the means of production and distribution. Without that motivation for the worker to excel, it becomes a production system of status quo: demand is irrelevant in terms of creating and improving products. The widget never changes ... or seldom changes and if it does, it is commanded by the elite and not incentivized for the worker to come up with it. |
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Post by Credo on Aug 24, 2019 8:51:41 GMT -8
Apparently Superman didn't get the Democratic Party memo alerting everyone that America has always been irredeemably racist. I mean if the New York Times tells us so, it must be true (The 1619 Project).
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Post by Credo on Aug 25, 2019 18:34:28 GMT -8
Hmmm...?
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Post by SK80 on Jul 23, 2022 8:06:24 GMT -8
So if I am black yet identify as white I can simply bestow white priveilage upon myself thus entitling me to everything white which is what...?
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Post by MDDad on Jul 23, 2022 11:10:47 GMT -8
Sometimes simple problems have simple solutions. It seems to me that most of the people complaining about white privilege are white. Perhaps if they took what they perceive as their own white privilege and shoved it up their ass, 90% of white privilege would disappear.
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Post by billb on Jul 23, 2022 23:20:27 GMT -8
So if I am black yet identify as white I can simply bestow white priveilage upon myself this entitling me to everything white which is what...? Good question for AOC. |
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Post by SK80 on Jun 30, 2023 6:01:48 GMT -8
How about "White Stupidity*"? This Biden staffer says it all....
*Code for Woke White Liberal.
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