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Post by SK80 on Dec 2, 2019 14:43:44 GMT -8
Thanks, friarjoe, you're absolutely right. I suppose every qualitative judgement is somewhat subjective and relative, but the truth is the Mission Viejo defense was better than average. Period. Comparitively to most mortal programs it was one of the better if not best defenses in OC HSF. It's the only defense I see outside the obvious Trinity two that could give CDM's offense a challenge or in any way keep them under 40+ points. We did get a shot at their D at their big MV summer tourney and beat them on their own home turf, can't remember but I think that was right after we took down Servite and ran all over Centennial. Right now it's SJB and MD on another playing field. CC, CDM, MV and Servite on the same turf, then everyone else.
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Post by MDDad on Dec 2, 2019 14:59:19 GMT -8
It's the only defense I see outside the obvious Trinity two that could give CDM's offense a challenge or in any way keep them under 40+ points. Didn't Palos Verdes hold them to 20?
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Post by SK80 on Dec 2, 2019 15:37:45 GMT -8
It's the only defense I see outside the obvious Trinity two that could give CDM's offense a challenge or in any way keep them under 40+ points. Didn't Palos Verdes hold them to 20? Yes they did but my preface before the comment was "OC HSF"
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Post by Credo on Dec 2, 2019 19:46:21 GMT -8
Can we stop with the myth of MV’s great defense? Once they played anyone decent, they gave up a ton of points in their two playoff games. Overall they had a decent defense, but I wasn’t overly impressed. Having attended the playoff game in which Mission Viejo gave up 28 points to Servite in the 2nd half and on their home field, I have to concur. MV had one outstanding pass rusher that gave us fits in the 1st half, but who was largely neutralized the rest of the game. Give us that game the following week the Diablos go down. I can't seem the ranked more than one or two ahead of Servite, if that. Until Corona Centennial settles on a starting QB they'll remain where they are--and maybe not even a guy in Tanner McKee's class can get them over the hump with Mater Dei and St. John Bosco. Those two have taken recruiting future 4-stars and 4-star upperclassmen transfers to a level where no one else can compete--nor should they want to.
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Post by ocsportsfan on Dec 2, 2019 21:03:50 GMT -8
Can we stop with the myth of MV’s great defense? Once they played anyone decent, they gave up a ton of points in their two playoff games. Overall they had a decent defense, but I wasn’t overly impressed. Having attended the playoff game in which Mission Viejo gave up 28 points to Servite in the 2nd half and on their home field, I have to concur. MV had one outstanding pass rusher that gave us fits in the 1st half, but who was largely neutralized the rest of the game. Give us that game the following week the Diablos go down. I can't seem the ranked more than one or two ahead of Servite, if that. Until Corona Centennial settles on a starting QB they'll remain where they are--and maybe not even a guy in Tanner McKee's class can get them over the hump with Mater Dei and St. John Bosco. Those two have taken recruiting future 4-stars and 4-star upperclassmen transfers to a level where no one else can compete--nor should they want to. I watched the game and do not agree. Servite was gifted a TD in the final seconds of the game after two interceptions and a drive ending incompletion were all overturned by penalties. That was a 10 point MV win. Despite some terrible calls and non calls by the refs including near constant O Line holding by Servite, MV was never in danger of losing.
Now MV vs MD was quite different and for that performance MV should get knocked down the rankings.........though the main thing I question in that game was the defensive game plan.
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Post by Credo on Dec 2, 2019 21:48:07 GMT -8
Having attended the playoff game in which Mission Viejo gave up 28 points to Servite in the 2nd half and on their home field, I have to concur. MV had one outstanding pass rusher that gave us fits in the 1st half, but who was largely neutralized the rest of the game. Give us that game the following week the Diablos go down. I can't seem the ranked more than one or two ahead of Servite, if that. Until Corona Centennial settles on a starting QB they'll remain where they are--and maybe not even a guy in Tanner McKee's class can get them over the hump with Mater Dei and St. John Bosco. Those two have taken recruiting future 4-stars and 4-star upperclassmen transfers to a level where no one else can compete--nor should they want to. I watched the game and do not agree. Servite was gifted a TD in the final seconds of the game after two interceptions and a drive ending incompletion were all overturned by penalties. That was a 10 point MV win. Despite some terrible calls and non calls by the refs including near constant O Line holding by Servite, MV was never in danger of losing.
Now MV vs MD was quite different and for that performance MV should get knocked down the rankings.........though the main thing I question in that game was the defensive game plan. Servite also had the ball on MV's 1-yard line in the 3rd quarter and came away with zero points. We score on that drive and I think we would have won the game. MV also had an 80-yard kickoff return that sealed the game for them. I give MV credit for making the necessary plays to win the game, but the Friars outplayed the Diablos offensively, outgained them on yards and first downs, and with a couple of plays going the other way Servite could have won that game by 10--and on MV's home field. Those teams are even money as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by SK80 on Dec 7, 2019 6:59:47 GMT -8
12 states, top 10 representation in west, *California 4, Arizona 2, Hawaii 2, Utah 1, Washington 1, *SoCal 3, Norcal 1, OC 2, LA 1, CC 1. Super 25 Regional Football Rankings: Week 15 ~ USA TODAY usatodayhss.com/2019/super-25-regional-high-school-football-rankings-week-15WESTAlaska, Arizona, California, Colorado, Hawaii, Idaho, Montana, Nevada, Oregon, Utah, Washington, and Wyoming 1. St. John Bosco, Bellflower, California (12-1) 2. Mater Dei, Santa Ana, California (12-1) 3. Saint Louis, Honolulu (12-0) 4. De La Salle, Concord, California (12-1) 5. Chandler, Arizona (12-0) 6. Corner Canyon, Draper, Utah (14-0) 7. Saguaro, Scottsdale, Arizona (11-1) 8. O’Dea, Seattle (12-0) 9. Punahou, Honolulu (11-2) 10. Corona Del Mar, Newport Beach, California (14-0)
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Post by SK80 on Dec 24, 2019 9:18:49 GMT -8
Good showing by OC teams as the TOP 10 here selected by the Los Angeles Times consist of 5 OC teams, 4 LA and 1 IE. The Times’ final 2019 high school football rankingswww.latimes.com/sports/highschool/story/2019-12-21/the-times-final-2019-high-school-football-rankings
St. John Bosco coach Jason Negro hugs offensive lineman Drake Metcalf (60) as the team celebrates its 49-28 win over De La Salle in the CIF state championship Open Division bowl game at Cerritos College on Dec. 14, 2019. (Gina Ferazzi / Los Angeles Times) A look at The Times’ final 2019 high school football rankings for the Southland:Rk. SCHOOL (Record); Finish (last rank)1. ST. JOHN BOSCO (13-1) Southern Section Division 1 champion, State Open Division champion (2)
2. MATER DEI (12-1) Southern Section Division 1 runner-up (1)
3. CORONA DEL MAR (16-0) Southern Section Division 3 champion, State Division 1-A champion (6)
4. CORONA CENTENNIAL (9-3) Southern Section Division 1 semifinalist (3)
5. MISSION VIEJO (11-1) Southern Section Division 1 semifinalist (4)
6. SERVITE (7-4) Southern Section Division 1 quarterfinalist, Friday (7)
7. SIERRA CANYON (14-2) Southern Section Division 2 champion, State Division 1-AA runner-up (10)
8. JSERRA (6-5) Southern Section Division 1 quarterfinalist, Friday (8)
9. CALABASAS (7-3) Southern Section Division 1 quarterfinalist, Friday (9)
10. BISHOP AMAT (9-2) Southern Section Division 1 quarterfinalist, Friday (12)
11. GRACE BRETHREN (12-2) Southern Section Division 3 runner-up (11)
12. OXNARD PACIFICA (15-1) Southern Section Division 6 champion, State Division 2-A champion (NR)
13. BISHOP ALEMANY (9-3) Southern Section Division 3 semifinalist (16)
14. CHAMINADE (7-6) Southern Section Division 2 runner-up (NR)
15. LA HABRA (10-3) Southern Section Division 3 semifinalist (13)
16. RANCHO VERDE (11-1) Southern Section Division 2 quarterfinalist (19)
17. TESORO (10-2) Southern Section Division 3 quarterfinalist (18)
18. LA SERNA (13-1) Southern Section Division 6 runner-up (21)
19. RANCHO CUCAMONGA (9-4) Southern Section Division 2 semifinalist (24)
20. AQUINAS (13-3) Southern Section Division 5 champion, State Division 2-AA runner-up (NR)
21. OXNARD (10-2) Southern Section Division 5 quarterfinalist (22)
22. NORCO (8-3) Southern Section Division 2 playoffs (20)
23. SAN JUAN HILLS (11-4) Southern Section Division 4 champion, State Division 2-AA semifinalist (NR)
24. CAMARILLO (11-2) Southern Section Division 4 semifinalist (14)
25. CULVER CITY (12-1) Southern Section Division 5 semifinalist (17)
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Post by SK80 on Dec 31, 2019 9:20:34 GMT -8
FINAL 2019 USA TODAY "WEST" RANKINGS: WESTAlaska, Arizona, California, Colorado, Hawaii, Idaho, Montana, Nevada, Oregon, Utah, Washington, and Wyoming 1.St. John Bosco, Bellflower, California (13-1) 2.Mater Dei, Santa Ana, California (12-1)3.Saint Louis, Honolulu (12-0) 4.Chandler, Arizona (13-0) 5.De La Salle, Concord, California (12-2) 6.Corner Canyon, Draper, Utah (14-0) 7.Corona Del Mar, Newport Beach, California (16-0)8.Punahou, Honolulu (11-2) 9.Central, Fresno, California (15-0) 10.Eastside Catholic, Sammamish, Washington (12-1)
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Post by Bick on Jan 5, 2020 8:13:02 GMT -8
Looks like CDM should be stepping up the pre league schedule this year beyond the 3 D4 & D9 teams from this past year, and get some more challenging teams to go along with San Clemente and St Mary's.
Who is on the docket this year?
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Post by newps on Jan 5, 2020 8:26:57 GMT -8
Downey (2nd year of 2 game contract) Palos Verdes (2nd year of 2 game contract) San Clemente (I’m sure both schools agree to renew)
They will be looking for a game to replace Lakewood for sure and I’m not sure if they are playing Mountain View St. Francis again in 2020. If they do, St Francis would be making the trip to Newport Beach from NorCal.
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Post by SK80 on Jan 5, 2020 9:06:22 GMT -8
I have no idea as of today, and my guess is many a coach is studying the new CIF Playoff format as to how it will work and play out for them as they look at the talent of their respective teams. I personally am not sure i even understand 100% as to how the new system is really going to work. My guess is losses won't hurt as much as playoff divisions are now fluid. When I say "hurt" it's in regard to your playoff seeding. The old way you could drop out or near a 16 seed with losses within your division as you were there for the season. Now it appears your losses could just drop you a division in which you may now be the better team in it.
I will use Westlake as an example, at the end of the season I thought in D3 they were the best 2-8 team I had ever seen. They took Grace to the wire twice!! If I understand the new system would that record during the season likely place them in a lower CIF-SS Playoff Division? If so, they drop to what D4 or 5? They would be a legit contender to win it all if so.
Dad usually has a good grip on all this, am i wrong here Daddy-O?
Here is what I can tell you as personal opine @bick.
CDM has it's program thinking only one thing, to be the best public school football program out there. The infrastructure is there, the players and kids in Newport have bought in and the community has really shown it's support. Now can a small public school mostly relying on what they do, (local kids) be at the top consistently? Yes and no, depends on what you define as top. At CDM "Top" means being the best you can be on the day it is requested you be so. I really have never felt that means being D1 over D3. We are not MD nor SJB. That is never going to happen. In my opinion thankfully so. The last decade has seen the projector of the Sea King program, like you are requesting I guess here again @bick they need to step it up? I think you, the others, the entire county have been saying this for the past decade. CDM has at every opportunity. I'm tempted to go back to TOB and get a few quotes from you guys from when we were in the PCL and how reality would hit the program when we set foot in the Sunset League.
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Now that I've rambled off on a Sunday morning hyped on caffeine and to answer your question with an answer, one at this point I can say only in respect what I might do......, honor any game and game already set forth. WE have done that with PV and SC. At this juncture I do not know if those get rescheduled. Will O'Shea jump again and try and schedule a lower Trinity? Doubtful in a rebuild season that will be subject to a big graduating senior class. I think you as a coach need to live in the "now" and schedule accordingly. I personally would like to find new OC public school rivalries to be made. I think CDM vs Tesoro, SJH, VP, Capo, would be great community games with on par programs. I believe those communities and fan base would travel as well, those are things I look for if I were coaching.
I'm sure the phone will be ringing from MV and LH so they can reset who is the best in OC and surely see CDM's graduating class now as their weakness and opportunity.
I do believe we made a deal with St. Francis of Mountainview and they will be traveling south this year. That's a good formidable opponent and private that I know will be looking for revenge.
@bick, when do you see Los Al making their schedule?
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Post by MDDad on Jan 5, 2020 9:38:14 GMT -8
(1) I will use Westlake as an example, at the end of the season I thought in D3 they were the best 2-8 team I had ever seen. They took Grace to the wire twice!! If I understand the new system would that record during the season likely place them in a lower CIF-SS Playoff Division? If so, they drop to what D4 or 5? They would be a legit contender to win it all if so. Dad usually has a good grip on all this, am i wrong here Daddy-O? (2) CDM has it's program thinking only one thing, to be the best public school football program out there. (1) As I understand the cryptic explanation from Rob Wigod, the only two things that will matter in whether a team makes the playoffs and where they will be placed is (a) their final Calpreps power rating after the last regular season game has been played, and (2) whether or not they are an automatic qualifier from their league. The obvious elephant in the room will be when automatic qualifiers with lower power ratings are given playoff spots while teams with higher power ratings will have to stay home because they competed in a stronger league, but I'm not sure the CIF brain trust has figured that out yet. The primary factors in Calpreps power ratings are (a) who you played, (b) whether you beat them or lost to them, and (c) whether the outcome was decisive or close. So no, a 2-8 record means nothing by itself. If those eight losses were squeakers to teams like St. John Bosco, Mater Dei, St. Frances, Bishop Gorman, etc., your power rating might be much higher than a 10-0 team who beat up on cupcakes. So the challenge will be to aggressively schedule opponents who are in the same competitive class or better, and win a majority of those games. (2) I know this is going to sound racially and economically insensitive, but Corona del Mar will never consistently be "the best public school football program out there" unless they find a way to bring more African-American and Polynesian athletes into the program. And that is a very difficult challenge, given where they are located. The school has enjoyed the perfect storm for the last two years, but a program that relies almost exclusively on millionaire "white boys" will likely never match up with the other top public programs in Southern California over the long term.
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Post by SK80 on Jan 5, 2020 10:25:28 GMT -8
(1) I will use Westlake as an example, at the end of the season I thought in D3 they were the best 2-8 team I had ever seen. They took Grace to the wire twice!! If I understand the new system would that record during the season likely place them in a lower CIF-SS Playoff Division? If so, they drop to what D4 or 5? They would be a legit contender to win it all if so. Dad usually has a good grip on all this, am i wrong here Daddy-O? (2) CDM has it's program thinking only one thing, to be the best public school football program out there. (1) As I understand the cryptic explanation from Rob Wigod, the only two things that will matter in whether a team makes the playoffs and where they will be placed is (a) their final Calpreps power rating after the last regular season game has been played, and (2) whether or not they are an automatic qualifier from their league. The obvious elephant in the room will be when automatic qualifiers with lower power ratings are given playoff spots while teams with higher power ratings will have to stay home because they competed in a stronger league, but I'm not sure the CIF brain trust has figured that out yet. The primary factors in Calpreps power ratings are (a) who you played, (b) whether you beat them or lost to them, and (c) whether the outcome was decisive or close. So no, a 2-8 record means nothing by itself. If those eight losses were squeakers to teams like St. John Bosco, Mater Dei, St. Frances, Bishop Gorman, etc., your power rating might be much higher than a 10-0 team who beat up on cupcakes. So the challenge will be to aggressively schedule opponents who are in the same competitive class or better, and win a majority of those games. (2) I know this is going to sound racially and economically insensitive, but Corona del Mar will never consistently be "the best public school football program out there" unless they find a way to bring more African-American and Polynesian athletes into the program. And that is a very difficult challenge, given where they are located. The school has enjoyed the perfect storm for the last two years, but a program that relies almost exclusively on millionaire "white boys" will likely never match up with the other top public programs in Southern California over the long term. (1) If true should they not get rid of "AUTO QUALIFIERS"? Question for the brain trust.
(2) Glad we got this out of the way, MDDad has done what only Jimmy the Greek could do........
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Post by Bick on Jan 5, 2020 10:54:19 GMT -8
@bick, when do you see Los Al making their schedule? Wk 1 TBD - Bishop Gorman said no, so maybe travel to another Vegas area team. Travel to AK also in the mix 2 - Paramount 3 - @ Western 4 - @ Sta Margarita 5 - St Paul
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