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Post by Bick on Oct 1, 2019 6:46:58 GMT -8
I think there are similarities to conservative and liberal ideologies when evaluating the sayings "When in Rome, do as the Roman's do", and "British policies make the world England".
One seems to subscribe to the idea of assimilation, or "the melting pot", and the other would be retention of your identity, "the mixed salad" now being taught in school, and perceived rights of your home (country, customs, organization, etc).
But I think the more important underlying theme is the idea of autonomous governance v. rule from afar.
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RSM789
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Post by RSM789 on Oct 1, 2019 18:21:29 GMT -8
I don't like exporting American values to other countries, however I am very demanding that those who want to move here & become U.S. citizens assimilate. I don't want them to conform, rather to meld what was good in their country with what is good here. After all, there is a reason you chose to move here. If everything was so peachy back home, you'd be there.
This applies to folks who move about our country as well. Folks from the East Coast coming to California and then bragging about how much better everything is in Trashheap, New Jersey. Or Californians who move to Montana to get away from the Golden States problems and then try to make Montana into the state they just left.
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Post by Bick on Oct 1, 2019 21:21:21 GMT -8
I agree. When visiting other countries, I want to learn their culture, customs and language - not take mine to them.
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Post by Luca on Oct 2, 2019 13:53:28 GMT -8
It's interesting to learn about other cultures and customs, but language is a different entity. You go to foreign countries and they all talk funny with a weird accident and you can't understand them. And lots of times they don't understand you even when you keep raising your voice.
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Post by Bick on Oct 2, 2019 15:51:14 GMT -8
It's interesting to learn about other cultures and customs, but language is a different entity. You go to foreign countries and they all talk funny with a weird accident and you can't understand them. And lots of times they don't understand you even when you keep raising your voice. Italian... Not so tough... Just use your hands a lot. Greek... Did you have to use these weird assed symbols instead of letters? Slavic... I think I learned hi and thank you. Seemed to get me by. They mostly all speak a little English anyway, know about our political figures... and I couldn't tell you who their respective presidents were. That's when it struck me as how arrogant we Americans are.
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Post by RSM789 on Oct 2, 2019 17:35:32 GMT -8
It's interesting to learn about other cultures and customs, but language is a different entity. You go to foreign countries and they all talk funny with a weird accident and you can't understand them. And lots of times they don't understand you even when you keep raising your voice. Greek... Did you have to use these weird assed symbols instead of letters? I have to believe that was intentional. Did you hear about the Greek boy who ran away from home? He didn't like the way he was being reared. He went back though. He couldn't leave his brothers behind.
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Post by Credo on Oct 2, 2019 20:02:35 GMT -8
I think there are similarities to conservative and liberal ideologies when evaluating the sayings "When in Rome, do as the Roman's do", and "British policies make the world England". One seems to subscribe to the idea of assimilation, or "the melting pot", and the other would be retention of your identity, "the mixed salad" now being taught in school, and perceived rights of your home (country, customs, organization, etc). But I think the more important underlying theme is the idea of autonomous governance v. rule from afar. Excellent point. I would further argue that the turn away from the traditional American model of assimilation is both a product and a driver of "rule from afar." Local communities would never allow or promote unchecked immigration and the balkanization of society; that is only happening because of the purposeful neglect of the law by politicians in D.C. and various state capitals such as Sacramento. The resulting fracturing of America then becomes the impetus for an increasingly heavy-handed government to (1) maintain a policy that is largely opposed by the populace and, (2) uphold law and order in a society that has become less self-governable due to a loss of shared values. Democrats can't convince the electorate to enact their policies, so they've been systematically working to replace the electorate with a more pliable people. Yet another reason Trump struck a chord with so many people; he's practically the only guy in American politics who has the guts to say that the emperor (politics as usual) has no clothes.
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Post by Bick on Oct 2, 2019 21:52:42 GMT -8
I think there are similarities to conservative and liberal ideologies when evaluating the sayings "When in Rome, do as the Roman's do", and "British policies make the world England". One seems to subscribe to the idea of assimilation, or "the melting pot", and the other would be retention of your identity, "the mixed salad" now being taught in school, and perceived rights of your home (country, customs, organization, etc). But I think the more important underlying theme is the idea of autonomous governance v. rule from afar. Excellent point. I would further argue that the turn away from the traditional American model of assimilation is both a product and a driver of "rule from afar." Local communities would never allow or promote unchecked immigration and the balkanization of society; that is only happening because of the purposeful neglect of the law by politicians in D.C. and various state capitals such as Sacramento. The resulting fracturing of America then becomes the impetus for an increasingly heavy-handed government to (1) maintain a policy that is largely opposed by the populace and, (2) uphold law and order in a society that has become less self-governable due to a loss of shared values. Democrats can't convince the electorate to enact their policies, so they've been systematically working to replace the electorate with a more pliable people. Yet another reason Trump struck a chord with so many people; he's practically the only guy in American politics who has the guts to say that the emperor (politics as usual) has no clothes. Your thoughts on when this started, why, and who is behind this? This seems to be a well-orchestrated effort.
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Post by Credo on Oct 3, 2019 7:36:00 GMT -8
The first thought that comes to mind is the Immigration and Naturalization Act of 1965, which has resulted in dramatic demographic changes to the country. An interesting point to note (that no one in the media dares to touch) is that the Democratic Party has not won the white vote in a presidential election since 1964. The Democrats really turned toward open borders in the early 2000's, as they came to believe that the continuing wave of demographic changes would ensure them a ruling majority in perpetuity. Throw in the continual breakdown is social and moral values since that same time and here we are. www.history.com/topics/immigration/us-immigration-since-1965I don't know how well-orchestrated all this is; Leftism operates on a hive or herd mentality, and the cumulative effect of its overtaking the institutions of academia, entertainment, big business, government bureaucracy, and the media is incredibly powerful. Social media, FOX News, and talk radio are among the few places where conservatism has a strong foothold--hence the attempt to silence and de-platform any voices that challenge the prevailing orthodoxy.
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Post by SK80 on Oct 3, 2019 8:50:20 GMT -8
Leftism operates on a hive or herd mentality, The term "collectivism" is right in there...., remember it takes a village!
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