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Post by Bick on Mar 12, 2019 12:17:19 GMT -8
When one of the most staunch labor organizations says no thanks, not a good look for the prospects of moving forward.
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Post by Bick on Mar 12, 2019 13:22:36 GMT -8
Wait...we found the real culprit. It was the BANKS' fault. And AOC gets applauded for this thinking. Got to read the comments...un-real.
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Post by RSM789 on Mar 15, 2019 7:58:22 GMT -8
Along those lines, there has been an idea floated in the past involving the Salton Sea. In case you don't know, the Salton Sea was created by accident, an engineering failure at the Colorado river that poured water into the area for about 2 years. The area is an ancient seabed and actually stretches down to the Gulf of California. Now, with no inlet or outlet, the Salton sea just continues to become more polluted & saline due to runoff from surrounding farms. The idea floated is to trench as needed to once again connect the Salton Sea to the Gulf of California. A huge undertaking, with some major impact: - It would "save" the Salton Sea, giving it a fresh influx & outflow of ocean water;
- It could create an inland port or ports, an alternate place for shipments to arrive other than San Diego, LA or Long Beach;
- It would create value for land surrounding the entire channel that now is basically worthless desert;
- There would be huge economic impact as far as recreational & business dollars along an inland sea;
- Lastly (my thought), it would offset some ocean rising issues by flooding enormous amounts of now dry desert land. I have no idea how much relief it would create, but it would be a way to get the green folks on board.
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Post by MDDad on Mar 15, 2019 8:22:30 GMT -8
RSM, the first four sound like ideas with enough merit for discussion. But I think your last point is a rainbow unicorn proposal. I have to believe that reflooding the Salton Sea to offset the rise in ocean levels would have the same impact as punching a pinhole in an Olympic swimming pool.
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Post by Bick on Mar 15, 2019 10:27:13 GMT -8
With apologies to over-moderation, I moved the above two posts to this thread. With all the talk over rising oceans, I wondered if there had ever been a time when the oceans receded. The comments on the Salton Sea are interesting about it being an ancient sea. I ran across another piece that suggests the ocean floor is actually sinking with the weight of the additional water. That possibility hadn't occurred to me, and it makes sense intuitively. www.livescience.com/61328-ocean-bottom-is-sinking.html
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Post by MDDad on Mar 15, 2019 11:01:59 GMT -8
I wondered if there had ever been a time when the oceans receded. Absolutely. Much of the Great Plains, from Texas and New Mexico up to Montana and the Dakotas used to be part of the ancient oceans. And during each Ice Age, sea levels dropped by as much as 180 meters to produce the additional ice and glaciers. That's another reason why today's leftist insistence that we have to limit sea-level rise to a few meters is so ludicrous. Mother Nature is capricious, and she will do what she wants.
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Post by RSM789 on Mar 15, 2019 11:07:58 GMT -8
...I have to believe that reflooding the Salton Sea to offset the rise in ocean levels would have the same impact as punching a pinhole in an Olympic swimming pool. Possibly, I'm not sure how to figure that out. I guess you could estimate the billions (?) of gallons of water that would fill the new inland sea & divide it by the entire surface area of all the oceans in the world. It is hard for me to imagine that it wouldn't work out to an inch or so of surface area removed from around the world. Then again, it is only 100+ miles or so from the Salton Sea to the tip of the Gulf of California, so maybe my perspective is all off. By the way, the "trench" I am envisioning is not a Panama Canal type deal, but a literal extension of the Gulf of California. Very wide and as deep as the topography will allow. Cities or communities along the route could carve out harbors, bays or whatever they want to take advantage of the new waterway. Imagine Brawley as being a new vacation destination...
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Post by RSM789 on Mar 15, 2019 11:15:42 GMT -8
The most telling thing about that piece is not that the growing amount of water was underestimated, but rather that "scientists" didn't take in all of the variables that will occur as the earth & its climate changes. There are so many moving parts to the world that claiming to know the exact ramifications of some change is currently the height of human hubris. The changes don't occur in a vacuum, they initiate other changes that may negate the potential issues one was envisioning. Ironically, many on the left do the same thing when it comes to Economics. They imagine you can just tax some product & it won't change pricing, demand, consumption, competition or a host of other factors. They are stuck with some inherent belief that you can alter 1 side of the equation without changing the other side.
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Post by Bick on Mar 15, 2019 11:53:04 GMT -8
Possibly, I'm not sure how to figure that out. I guess you could estimate the billions (?) of gallons of water that would fill the new inland sea & divide it by the entire surface area of all the oceans in the world. It is hard for me to imagine that it wouldn't work out to an inch or so of surface area removed from around the world. Then again, it is only 100+ miles or so from the Salton Sea to the tip of the Gulf of California, so maybe my perspective is all off.[/quote] This doesn't take into account the expansion of water as it warms, but seems to get you in the midset of how to figure it out.
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Post by ProfessorFate on Mar 15, 2019 17:03:22 GMT -8
I wondered if there had ever been a time when the oceans receded. Absolutely. Much of the Great Plains, from Texas and New Mexico up to Montana and the Dakotas used to be part of the ancient oceans. And during each Ice Age, sea levels dropped by as much as 180 meters to produce the additional ice and glaciers. That's another reason why today's leftist insistence that we have to limit sea-level rise to a few meters is so ludicrous. Mother Nature is capricious, and she will do what she wants. I don't know how long ago, but Anaheim Hills used to be underwater. I worked on a mass grading construction site there back around 1990. I think it was along Via Escola, between Meats and Imperial Hwy. There were four things we always searched for (and found) up there: 1. Geodes 2. Arrowheads 3. SHARK TEETH, and, 4. FISH FOSSILS
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Post by SK80 on Mar 15, 2019 17:28:20 GMT -8
Yep Fate, we use to take field trips in Cub and Boy Scouts to go look for fish and fern fossils in them hills. I still have a nice fish fossil in my boxes of childhood stuff...!
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Post by ProfessorFate on Mar 15, 2019 17:57:13 GMT -8
I do too. And I gave a couple of them away as well.
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Post by Bick on Mar 15, 2019 18:04:01 GMT -8
So...where did all the water go? With those shark teeth being found, have to assume oceans were that high.
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Post by RSM789 on Mar 15, 2019 18:27:51 GMT -8
Not necessarily, if you believe old SNL skits, there always is the chance those teeth belonged to land sharks...
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Post by Bick on Mar 15, 2019 19:44:48 GMT -8
Or baby shark do do do do do do
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