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Post by vilepagan on Oct 18, 2019 1:43:04 GMT -8
And yet the guy with shit-for-brains just can't help but respond every time I post. Go figure.
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Post by davidsf on Oct 18, 2019 5:36:56 GMT -8
I don't have any problem with getting the hell out of Syria or any other godforsaken Third World wasteland that we seem forever to be wandering into. I remember thinking when my son went out for his deployments in Afghanistan " How important really is that place to us?" It gives you a whole different perspective beyond the theoretical. But I do have serious reservations both ethical and practical if we do in fact abandon the Kurds, with whom we've been allied and have counted on for many years. I cannot trust a damned thing I read in the newspapers or see on the news anymore because it's so predictably ideologically and politically biased. So I'm reserving judgment until I see for myself what happens...................................Luca You frame my concerns quite well, Luca. on one hand, I do appreciate the president’s comment that it’s their business, let them handle it, but on the other hand, you’re right about how much we’ve relied on the Kurds in recent years and it just does nit feel right to abandon them now... IF, in fact, that is what we end up doing. there was one mention in that Military Times article about Turkey believing these particular Kurds are a splinter, terrorist organization. I would like to know more about that. It is curious (to me) why they insist on remaining in the safe zone and why (if true) they stage incursions into Turkey. |
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Post by RSM789 on Oct 18, 2019 8:58:24 GMT -8
I respect Ben Shapiro, who I listened to recently make the case as to why we should have kept our soldiers in Syria to protect the Kurds. The basis of his argument was that when America leaves an area, bad things happen. He listed the September 11th attacks as an example.
I believe he is wrong about this. There always has & always will be fighting in the Middle East, it has become part of their culture. Countries there have always blamed the United States for either being there or not being there, whatever fits their narrative that week. We lose if we are involved, we lose if we aren't involved. The only difference is we can use our military & resources elsewhere if we don't have them tied up in the middle east.
As far as the Kurds having been our allies, all I can say is we helped Osama Bin Laden once back when it was to our advantage to mess with the Soviets. Look how that turned out.
It reminds me of why cops hate responding to domestic disputes. No matter how bad the guy has beat the woman or what the woman has done to the guy, the end result is the couple turning on the cops.
Stay as far away from those folks as possible and if they do anything to us or our interests, end them. It may sound cold, but it would not bother me in the least if Israel leveled that entire region.
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Post by Credo on Oct 18, 2019 9:13:41 GMT -8
I respect Ben Shapiro, who I listened to recently make the case as to why we should have kept our soldiers in Syria to protect the Kurds. The basis of his argument was that when America leaves an area, bad things happen. He listed the September 11th attacks as an example. Unfortunately, Shapiro's logic here has been conventional military/political wisdom since Vietnam. Following this line of thinking we would have troops stationed in virtually every corner of the globe, bleeding us slowly of blood and treasure. Trump was elected--in part--by promising to reverse this course. The D.C. Establishment (which includes BOTH parties) has resisted him every step of the way. Notice that the only bi-partisan consensus in Congress today is that we should never withdraw troops from anywhere they are already stationed. Perpetual war for perpetual peace! |
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Post by Bick on Oct 20, 2019 8:18:00 GMT -8
I respect Ben Shapiro, who I listened to recently make the case as to why we should have kept our soldiers in Syria to protect the Kurds. The basis of his argument was that when America leaves an area, bad things happen. He listed the September 11th attacks as an example. Unfortunately, Shapiro's logic here has been conventional military/political wisdom since Vietnam. Following this line of thinking we would have troops stationed in virtually every corner of the globe, bleeding us slowly of blood and treasure. Trump was elected--in part--by promising to reverse this course. The D.C. Establishment (which includes BOTH parties) has resisted him every step of the way. Notice that the only bi-partisan consensus in Congress today is that we should never withdraw troops from anywhere they are already stationed. Perpetual war for perpetual peace! Our use of military force in other the civil wars of other countries has been misused for some time. Defending an ally against an invader...by all means...go in with an overwhelming force, kick ass, and then get out of Dodge. Think Kuwait in Desert Storm 1. Even in DS 2, if we really felt Hussein was developing nukes, same concept...go in, prove it is or isn't, and then get the hell out. The only caveat to this would be if a foreign country wants us there, permanently or for the foreseeable future, and is willing to pay for the cost of security. Beyond that, break glass only in the event of emergency. |
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Post by davidsf on Oct 21, 2019 6:32:31 GMT -8
IF the Kurds military presence is “only” forced to leave that 20 mile wide border protection zone, and no further damage is caused to them, would we then support Trumps move?
All the criticism I’ve heard to date centers on abandoning the Kurds to certain destruction.
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Post by Bick on Oct 21, 2019 10:00:10 GMT -8
Seems similar to the Palestinian conflict over the Gaza strip.
That 20 mile wide "security" zone is in...Syria?
Imagine if Mexico required we vacate 20 miles north of the Mexican border.
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Post by davidsf on Oct 21, 2019 14:20:56 GMT -8
Seems similar to the Palestinian conflict over the Gaza strip. That 20 mile wide "security" zone is in...Syria? Imagine if Mexico required we vacate 20 miles north of the Mexican border. I think your concern would be valid if the zone was forced on Syria... i don’t know enough about it to say how it came about. Only that Turkey insists the Kurdish Troops there are a splinter group of a terror cell who wants to invade Turkey. |
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