RSM789
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Post by RSM789 on Jan 15, 2020 20:38:10 GMT -8
The defense of incest and polygamy being put forth here is a real head-scratcher, and appears to be underlined by some logical and Biblical confusion. I'm not defending those actions, rather I am trying to stay consistent with my ideology (which is for the most part libertarian). In regards to incest, lets keep it to sibling or 1st cousin relationships to avoid getting into a discussion of pedophilia (which I consider a sin). Personally, the thought of a brother and sister as a couple creeps me out and I believe that reaction is the norm for most of our culture. However, feelings should not be the arbiter for what is a sin, the repercussion & effect of the act should be the determiner. So a brother & sister fall in love with each other, get married and stay committed to each other for their entire life. They choose not to have children because they are aware of the increase in birth defects caused by incest and choose not to adopt in order to not subject children to questions raised by others about their relationship. To say these two people have sinned based solely on their similar DNA is akin to saying it is a sin for people of different races to be in a committed relationship. You stated my previous posts appear to be underlined by Biblical confusion. While I am never mistaken for a biblical scholar, I do have 12 years of parochial school as a foundation. One thing I learned early on is when it comes to subjects such as religion, many people become so immersed in their faith that they can't see the forest for the trees. They get bogged down in the minutia and miss the big picture One can keep their faith real simple and lead a good life by just following the 10 Commandments, of which there is no sidebar on who one chooses to take as a partner for a lifelong relationship. So I consider committed consensual relationships between siblings, between those of the same sex or between multiple numbers of people to be not the norm, but in & of itself, not a sin. |
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Post by davidsf on Jan 15, 2020 21:03:37 GMT -8
...It may not be "normal" for any individual to be gay but it may be "normal" for there to be a certain percentage of gays in the population. An expected variant, similar to people who are over 7 feet tall. I agree. I’m not so sure. Seems to hair color, height, skin color... all have a probable genetic link. So far, no genetic link has been shown for same-sex attractions. |
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Post by RSM789 on Jan 15, 2020 23:04:09 GMT -8
We weren't talking the cause of the variant, but rather that it was an abnormality in an individual that isn't unexpected in the population as a whole. The characteristic is outside of the norm but the fact that it exists isn't.
I wouldn't be surprised if it was one day found that the disposition to be attracted to the same sex is the result of an influence of additional estrogen or testosterone to a child at some point of development while they are in the womb.
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Post by Bick on Jan 15, 2020 23:18:17 GMT -8
The 2 camps here seem split on whether homosexuality is entirely a choice.
Stands to reason that because you do, all those who make that choice (and engage in sex) are dammed if they don't repent. Bummer for the Muslims who get caught. They get thrown off a building, and then get to take the elevator to the basement.
The non choice crowd thinks God would be more understanding, and judge them on how they carried themselves in life.
Sound about right?
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Post by captaintrips on Jan 15, 2020 23:33:23 GMT -8
What do we think about this one ? Here we have a Christian school expelling a girl for having an image on facebook of her birthday party with a rainbow colored cake. The assumption is that she is promoting homosexual behaviour with this I guess... because somehow our culture has accepted the lie that the rainbow represents everything "gay." It doesn't As one comment at the bottom of the story states; "Just because some group of abominations use the image for sinfulness does not make the image a sin. I highly doubt this "Christian" school is worth it's weight in intelligence. Look at the situation do not use the Bible Blindly. You are lumping everyone into the same category and you cannot do that. The school is wrong and need to apologize to this girl and her family." I have to agree. That this school claims to be " Christian" is highly questionable I'd say... --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The most famous rainbow in history is when God made His covenant with Noah after the flood mentioned in the book of Genesis.
But now, a private Christian school in Kentucky is coming under fire for allegedly expelling a student because she had a rainbow-colored cake and sweater to celebrate her birthday.
"She did nothing wrong," Kimberly Alford said of her 15-year-old daughter, Kayla Kenney, in an interview with the Louisville Courier Journal.
The saga began in late December when the family was celebrating Kayla's 15th birthday at a Texas Roadhouse restaurant. It was when Alford posted a photo of her daughter on her Facebook page that all hell broke loose.
The girl happened to be wearing a sweater with a rainbow on it, and the cake had a variety of rainbow-like colors.
Alford told the paper she received an email from Whitefield Academy's head of school, Bruce Jacobson, explaining her daughter was being expelled "immediately due to a post on social media."
................She said Jacobson wrote that the picture "demonstrates a posture of morality and cultural acceptance contrary to that of Whitefield Academy’s beliefs” and follows two years of "lifestyle violations."
In recent years, the rainbow flag has often been used as a symbol of same-sex and transgender rights.
Alford noted her daughter is not homosexual, and the colorful cake was merely for fun, indicating the bakery receipt listed the design as "assorted colors.".... www.wnd.com/2020/01/breaks-loose-christian-school-girls-colorful-birthday-cake/ |
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Post by Bick on Jan 15, 2020 23:48:48 GMT -8
I'd say this proves the far right Christian anti woke crowd, can be as ridiculous, and mean spirited, as the far left woke crowd.
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Post by captaintrips on Jan 16, 2020 7:10:51 GMT -8
I'd say this proves the far right Christian anti woke crowd, can be as ridiculous, and mean spirited, as the far left woke crowd. I agree Stupidity begets more stupidity When will everyone stop being so damn stupid ? Maybe when ALL stop demanding others agree or be sued, silenced, expelled, assaulted, murdered, 'doxed'... whatever else We have to stop demanding everyone " conform," speak like us, think like us, do like us... IF we like diversity that is : ) |
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Post by Bick on Jan 16, 2020 7:44:49 GMT -8
I'd say this proves the far right Christian anti woke crowd, can be as ridiculous, and mean spirited, as the far left woke crowd. I agree Stupidity begets more stupidity When will everyone stop being so damn stupid ? Maybe when ALL stop demanding others agree or be sued, silenced, expelled, assaulted, murdered, 'doxed'... whatever else We have to stop demanding everyone " conform," speak like us, think like us, do like us... IF we like diversity that is : ) That's where the real battle is. Moderate America needs to stand up against the BS being pushed by the idealogues on both sides. It's a tough battle as the opponent of moderation and compromise includes the media. Think about it... Both sides of the national media spent a ridiculous amount of time over a f'n cake. |
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Post by davidsf on Jan 16, 2020 7:51:38 GMT -8
We weren't talking the cause of the variant, but rather that it was an abnormality in an individual that isn't unexpected in the population as a whole. The characteristic is outside of the norm but the fact that it exists isn't. I wouldn't be surprised if it was one day found that the disposition to be attracted to the same sex is the result of an influence of additional estrogen or testosterone to a child at some point of development while they are in the womb. I misunderstood you. i apologize for the attempt at a correction. Carry on. |
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Post by davidsf on Jan 16, 2020 7:59:32 GMT -8
What do we think about this one ? Here we have a Christian school expelling a girl for having an image on facebook of her birthday party with a rainbow colored cake. The assumption is that she is promoting homosexual behaviour with this I guess... because somehow our culture has accepted the lie that the rainbow represents everything "gay." It doesn't As one comment at the bottom of the story states; "Just because some group of abominations use the image for sinfulness does not make the image a sin. I highly doubt this "Christian" school is worth it's weight in intelligence. Look at the situation do not use the Bible Blindly. You are lumping everyone into the same category and you cannot do that. The school is wrong and need to apologize to this girl and her family." I have to agree. That this school claims to be " Christian" is highly questionable I'd say... --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The most famous rainbow in history is when God made His covenant with Noah after the flood mentioned in the book of Genesis.
But now, a private Christian school in Kentucky is coming under fire for allegedly expelling a student because she had a rainbow-colored cake and sweater to celebrate her birthday.
"She did nothing wrong," Kimberly Alford said of her 15-year-old daughter, Kayla Kenney, in an interview with the Louisville Courier Journal.
The saga began in late December when the family was celebrating Kayla's 15th birthday at a Texas Roadhouse restaurant. It was when Alford posted a photo of her daughter on her Facebook page that all hell broke loose.
The girl happened to be wearing a sweater with a rainbow on it, and the cake had a variety of rainbow-like colors.
Alford told the paper she received an email from Whitefield Academy's head of school, Bruce Jacobson, explaining her daughter was being expelled "immediately due to a post on social media."
................She said Jacobson wrote that the picture "demonstrates a posture of morality and cultural acceptance contrary to that of Whitefield Academy’s beliefs” and follows two years of "lifestyle violations."
In recent years, the rainbow flag has often been used as a symbol of same-sex and transgender rights.
Alford noted her daughter is not homosexual, and the colorful cake was merely for fun, indicating the bakery receipt listed the design as "assorted colors.".... www.wnd.com/2020/01/breaks-loose-christian-school-girls-colorful-birthday-cake/Time out... that note from the school ALSO said, “... and follows two years of lifestyle violations” while I disagree with them using a fairly innocuous photo of a birthday celebration as grounds for the expulsion, and I completely agree with the tone of your post vis-à-vis, the coopting of normal words and icons to only refer to homosexuality, I would like to know what those 2-years of lifestyle violations were before castigating the school any further... but, of course, that’s none of my business. |
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Post by davidsf on Jan 16, 2020 8:10:40 GMT -8
The 2 camps here seem split on whether homosexuality is entirely a choice. Stands to reason that because you do, all those who make that choice (and engage in sex) are dammed if they don't repent. Bummer for the Muslims who get caught. They get thrown off a building, and then get to take the elevator to the basement. The non choice crowd thinks God would be more understanding, and judge them on how they carried themselves in life. Sound about right? First, I am not seeing any split over whether or not homosexuality is entirely a choice. Closest I can come is, engaging in sex (with anyone, whether or not of the same gender) is always a choice, but that doesn’t mean homosexuality (being the attraction to same-gender) is entirely a choice. I’ve said all along, there is no evidence either way. Second, you are right about those [who sin]: The ARE damned if they - do not repent, AND
- do not turn to Christ for salvation.
Third, making no aspersions on anyone, if God (only) judged [each of us] on how we carried ourselves, the Bible is wrong. The Muslims who get caught and thrown off a building... will JOIN those throwing them off the building on the elevator to the basement.
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Post by tarmac on Jan 16, 2020 8:36:02 GMT -8
What consenting adults do in the privacy of their own home is none of government business.
Consenting adults. (Over 18 and mentally healthy.)
Privacy of their own home. (Their home. Not my rental or my hotel room.)
None of government business. (City, county, state, federal.)
Now IF you really believe this you can't throw in a bunch of changes about Mom and Son, Dad and Son, Brother and Sisters or seven people together. When you let homosexuals make laws this is what happens.
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Post by MDDad on Jan 16, 2020 9:01:57 GMT -8
I wouldn't be surprised if it was one day found that the disposition to be attracted to the same sex is the result of an influence of additional estrogen or testosterone to a child at some point of development while they are in the womb. Isn't that an argument for studying it, rather than just celebrating its existence? |
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Post by MDDad on Jan 16, 2020 9:08:22 GMT -8
The 2 camps here seem split on whether homosexuality is entirely a choice. I don't know that anyone is proposing that it's entirely a choice. Most men are born heterosexual, and they choose to have sex with women. A small percentage of men are born homosexual (or become so in childhood, long before they even know what sex is), and they choose to have sex with other men. The choice is in whom to have sex with, not in whether a person is straight or gay. People don't choose to be claustrophobic, or OCD, or paranoid, it just happens to them and therefore demands study. |
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Post by davidsf on Jan 16, 2020 9:09:14 GMT -8
I wouldn't be surprised if it was one day found that the disposition to be attracted to the same sex is the result of an influence of additional estrogen or testosterone to a child at some point of development while they are in the womb. Isn't that an argument for studying it, rather than just celebrating its existence? That would be great if a real scientific body, absent any bias or foregone conclusion, would study it. so far, that seems too much to hope for. |
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