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Post by Credo on Nov 10, 2019 22:31:56 GMT -8
Voter ID should be--at the very least--a requirement for all federal elections. If states and local areas want to keep their elections susceptible to fraud, then that's their business.
And anyone trying to put forth the phony argument that voter I.D. is nothing more that an attempt to "suppress" the minority vote would have to argue that all of the other dozens of transactions that require ID are similarly racist or discriminatory. Nonsense. Heck, my nine-year-old daughter was required to have a picture ID just to play all-star softball!
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Post by Bick on Nov 10, 2019 23:10:53 GMT -8
Yep...even needed a utility bill to sign up for T-ball
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Post by vilepagan on Nov 11, 2019 4:35:50 GMT -8
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Post by vilepagan on Nov 11, 2019 4:40:17 GMT -8
Voter I.D. is nothing more that an attempt to "suppress" the minority vote. It also won't help the Republicans get he black vote. No, I don't have to make that other argument at all.
I don't believe your nine-year-old daughter has a photo I.D. Who issued it, and why?
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Post by Bick on Nov 11, 2019 4:58:39 GMT -8
Not sure how a photo ID would suppress a minority vote. They need one to get a job, and with unemployment being at a record low, who wouldn't have one?
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Post by vilepagan on Nov 11, 2019 5:13:02 GMT -8
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Post by davidsf on Nov 11, 2019 6:03:14 GMT -8
Not sure how a photo ID would suppress a minority vote. They need one to get a job, and with unemployment being at a record low, who wouldn't have one? It doesn’t. only the buttheads (present company excepted, maybe, depending on what he is saying) are trying to use that as their excuse for continuing to use dead people and other fraudulent measures to remain in power. |
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Post by Bick on Nov 11, 2019 6:20:35 GMT -8
This outlines some more recent studies. What's interesting the study showing that of the 0.17% of those in Texas who voted without an ID after completing an affidavit, blacks represented 54% of them. The primary reason was they left their ID at home. Another point shown in one of the other studies was the motivations of the 2 parties when it comes to this issue. It's a hot button for Republicans whenever voting fraud is an issue, but that doesn't move the needle for democrats. For democrats, it seems the motivation is more centered on how they perceive it would would help their election chances. journalistsresource.org/studies/politics/elections/voter-photo-id-law-research/ |
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Post by vilepagan on Nov 11, 2019 9:37:41 GMT -8
It does when minorities are more likely to not have a picture ID.
Funny. Only a butthead would believe that a voter ID law would have any meaningful effect on voter fraud, or that there's a widespread problem with voter fraud.
Are you suggesting that there's a large problem with people going to the polls who are ineligible to vote that would be prevented from doing so by these laws?
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Post by davidsf on Nov 11, 2019 9:46:33 GMT -8
But not all those plethora other reasons they need one? I know you realize how stupid you sound, so I won’t mention it here... but wait, there’s more:
Can’t be accurate, since you’re the only butthead here and you believe the self-serving fantasy that it doesn’t exist. I am a bit surprised to read this from you, however, given that fraud has actually been documented in several locations, and admitted to, but not observed in others. Butt you just keep your head buried there in the sand...
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Post by MDDad on Nov 11, 2019 13:21:29 GMT -8
It's interesting to me that it typically takes a photo ID to board an airplane, cash a check, use a credit card, drive a car, buy a car, rent a car, register a car, get a job, buy a house, rent a house or apartment, get a hunting or fishing license, buy booze, buy cigarettes, get a prescription filled, serve on a jury, open a savings or checking account, apply for food stamps, welfare, Medicaid or social security, apply for unemployment, apply for a mortgage, get married, adopt a pet, donate blood, rent a hotel room or buy a cell phone.
If there are a handful of citizens in this country who have never done ANY of those things, perhaps we are better off with them not voting, as they probably are not too informed on the candidates or the issues.
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Post by RSM789 on Nov 11, 2019 19:09:05 GMT -8
It does when minorities are more likely to not have a picture ID. That statement would fall under the racism of low expectations. How is there any correlation between the color of ones skin and the ability to have a picture ID? You may as well say all those stupid minorities who don't work and can't drive are too lazy to get off the couch and go get a picture ID. For Chrissake, it is 2019, how do you not have a picture ID? They give them to illegal aliens out here!! The case against voter ID is nothing more than attempt to continue to allow illegal votes to occur. |
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Post by Credo on Nov 11, 2019 21:03:44 GMT -8
I don't believe your nine-year-old daughter has a photo I.D. Who issued it, and why? Ever heard of school ID cards? In case of all-stars, USA Softball required every participating league to have each child's picture taken for a photo ID for verification at the start of all tournaments, in order to prevent over-age kids from illegally playing, as what happened in the Little League World Series some years back. "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." |
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Post by vilepagan on Nov 12, 2019 4:49:21 GMT -8
As usual your argument is predicated on a false belief about what I believe. I didn't say voter fraud doesn't exist. I said it's not a large problem. People who wish to rig an election will not do it by in-person voter fraud like you claim will be prevented by having a voter ID. They will do it by hacking an electronic voting machine...but I'm sure you're not worried about actual voter fraud are you.
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Post by vilepagan on Nov 12, 2019 4:57:46 GMT -8
Actually it's from an article I posted from NPR. I'm guessing you didn't read it.
From the article I posted:
I think the first thing to look at is to look at who actually drives. The most common form of government-issued ID are driver's licenses and so the people who are most unlikely to drive, as it is, is elderly, the poor, people who live in big cities, like African-Americans, especially young people, too, especially if they attend college. They may not have need for a car at the moment.
And then people who are in rural areas. The other challenge for them is they are not near the Department of Motor Vehicles offices, etc., etc. where you would get these IDs.
MARTIN: And you met a voter like that. Would you tell us about her?
DADE: I did. I talked with Rethel Frank(ph). She's 84 years old. She lives in Brokaw, Wisconsin, and she has an interesting story because she typifies what many seniors are experiencing. Many of them never had birth certificates to begin with, and if they did, they were incorrectly - their names were incorrectly put onto these documents. And if that's the case, then you're not going to get an ID. They will not accept discrepancies between your birth certificate and other forms of ID that you may have, like a Social Security card and those kinds of things.
MARTIN: And so you - what did she tell you?
DADE: Well, let's listen to what she had to say when I interviewed her.
RETHEL FRANK: I laid my baptismal certificate on top of the counter because I figured that all the information that they would need would be on that baptismal certificate and she looked at me and she said, well, this is illegal. She said, how do I know that you aren't an alien? I was - well, just like somebody took a pan and hit me in the face. I could have cried.
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