davidsf
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Post by davidsf on Nov 21, 2019 8:18:18 GMT -8
I read this article from a couple months ago and it coincided with other articles I’ve read talking about shoppers who refuse to use self-checkout in the stores because those kiosks lose jobs for people. I see that as more of an effect than a cause: First, the article: Union-Backed Ballot Initiative Would Limit Grocery Stores to 2 Self-Checkout MachinesSo, from the union’s perspective, the article goes on to disprove most of those items, but my focus is on the “eliminate jobs” indictment. well, YEAH, of course they eliminate jobs. But the use of self-checkout kiosks is an effect, not the cause! when employees demand ever-rising wages for, basically, lower-demand work, employers either have to find ways to adjust expenses (including labor) or go,out of business. Labor used to be a semi-fixed expense: In other words, an employer can always reduce staff, but at some point, he cannot reduce any further and still have enough people to run the business... so when they get to that point, they must find new ways: Enter the Kiosk. simply, yes, the Kiosk does allow the employer to eliminate more CHECKERS jobs, but 1) Almost every place using self-checkout combines it with full-service checkout, AND checkers can usually find work elsewhere in the business. So the installation of self-service checkout by employers is not the cause of people losing their jobs: It is a response to the ever-rising labor costs of employees demanding higher wages. **by the way, the term is “liv able” wage, not “liv ing” wage. A wage is inanimate, it cannot “live.” 👌 i welcome your comments on self-checkout Kiosks.
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Post by MDDad on Nov 21, 2019 9:39:24 GMT -8
With the millions of jobs that have been lost to automation, off-shoring or increased efficiencies, I find it tough to shed a lot of tears over some Target or Ralph's checkers having to change jobs due to the implementation of self-check kiosks. I use the kiosks whenever I can, and personally I've never found one to (a) give back the wrong change, (b) ring up the wrong price, (c) have to call a supervisor for help, (d) ring up an item twice, (e) have a bitchy day, (f) jaw-jack with a customer while other customers are waiting in line, or (g) slow everything down because they are a trainee and need to be walked through every transaction.
And kiosks never say "Happy Holiday Season!" instead of "Merry Christmas!"
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Post by davidsf on Nov 21, 2019 9:45:13 GMT -8
With the millions of jobs that have been lost to automation, off-shoring or increased efficiencies, I find it tough to shed a lot of tears over some Target or Ralph's checkers having to change jobs due to the implementation of self-check kiosks. I use the kiosks whenever I can, and personally I've never found one to (a) give back the wrong change, (b) ring up the wrong price, (c) have to call a supervisor for help, (d) ring up an item twice, (e) have a bitchy day, (f) jaw-jack with a customer while other customers are waiting in line, or (g) slow everything down because they are a trainee and need to be walked through every transaction. And kiosks never say "Happy Holiday Season!" instead of "Merry Christmas!" I haven’t found as many reasons as you have, but I usually use the self-checkout, too: There is rarely a line, and if there is, it is only 1 or 2 people, and I do not know why it is, but I seem able to scan my items much more quickly than a highly trained checker can. 🤷🏻♂️
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Post by tarmac on Nov 21, 2019 10:42:50 GMT -8
I do not use the self-checkout station. I can't share the good news of Jesus Christ with a scanner.
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Post by slk230 on Nov 21, 2019 11:14:03 GMT -8
I do not use the self-checkout station. I can't share the good news of Jesus Christ with a scanner. The good news??? Why would you feel that you must discuss your personal views with someone that didn't ask for them?
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Post by Bick on Nov 21, 2019 11:26:22 GMT -8
I think I recall them actually being removed from a local Albertsons a while back. If I'm a retailer, I'd have to evaluate the theft incidence here in CA- especially in a low margin venue like a grocery store.
With shoplifting pretty much getting a pass here now, the deterrent of getting caught has likely increased its incidence.
That aside, I think they work better in a low item purchase venue like Home Depot.
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Post by davidsf on Nov 21, 2019 13:47:51 GMT -8
I do not use the self-checkout station. I can't share the good news of Jesus Christ with a scanner. The good news??? Why would you feel that you must discuss your personal views with someone that didn't ask for them? What kind of self-a sorbed monsters would we be, Al, if we did not share our gain with those not as fortunate around us. we share because, that’s what we do. Come on, my brother, join us. 🥳
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Post by davidsf on Nov 21, 2019 13:51:15 GMT -8
I think I recall them actually being removed from a local Albertsons a while back. If I'm a retailer, I'd have to evaluate the theft incidence here in CA- especially in a low margin venue like a grocery store. With shoplifting pretty much getting a pass here now, the deterrent of getting caught has likely increased its incidence. That aside, I think they work better in a low item purchase venue like Home Depot. I agree that the kiosk does limit the number (and mass) of my purchases to just what can fit in that little metal table. that sometimes is a reason to go full service. But most (or “all” around here) kiosk sections in the store do have one or two attendants, and are winning sight of other store employees that, I think, should cut down on the shoplifters...
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Post by ProfessorFate on Nov 21, 2019 16:09:54 GMT -8
With the millions of jobs that have been lost to automation, off-shoring or increased efficiencies, I find it tough to shed a lot of tears over some Target or Ralph's checkers having to change jobs due to the implementation of self-check kiosks. I use the kiosks whenever I can, and personally I've never found one to (a) give back the wrong change, (b) ring up the wrong price, (c) have to call a supervisor for help, (d) ring up an item twice, (e) have a bitchy day, (f) jaw-jack with a customer while other customers are waiting in line, or (g) slow everything down because they are a trainee and need to be walked through every transaction. And kiosks never say "Happy Holiday Season!" instead of "Merry Christmas!" I understand all the advantages you mentioned here, but I feel they are all outweighed by the fact that I don't like seeing the people lose those jobs. (How that squares with the fact that I'm a conservative Republican, who by definition, it seems, means I'm not capable of compassion, I don't know.)
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Post by slk230 on Nov 21, 2019 17:25:41 GMT -8
I think I recall them actually being removed from a local Albertsons a while back. If I'm a retailer, I'd have to evaluate the theft incidence here in CA- especially in a low margin venue like a grocery store. With shoplifting pretty much getting a pass here now, the deterrent of getting caught has likely increased its incidence. That aside, I think they work better in a low item purchase venue like Home Depot. I agree that the kiosk does limit the number (and mass) of my purchases to just what can fit in that little metal table. that sometimes is a reason to go full service. But most (or “all” around here) kiosk sections in the store do have one or two attendants, and are winning sight of other store employees that, I think, should cut down on the shoplifters...
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Post by RSM789 on Nov 21, 2019 20:05:59 GMT -8
Bill Burr's take on self checkout, pretty funny.
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Post by RSM789 on Nov 21, 2019 20:11:04 GMT -8
I never have an issue when a job that was done by humans can be automated and done by machines. I prefer to have humans doing the work that requires creativity and personal interaction.
There was a time where buggy whip manufacturers and shoeing horses went out of business because of automobile advances. It is tough to make the argument that those jobs should have been saved.
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Post by Bick on Nov 21, 2019 21:07:10 GMT -8
Cue a MDDad / Luca age shot in 3...2...1
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Post by slk230 on Nov 22, 2019 4:51:09 GMT -8
The good news??? Why would you feel that you must discuss your personal views with someone that didn't ask for them? What kind of self-a sorbed monsters would we be, Al, if we did not share our gain with those not as fortunate around us. we share because, that’s what we do. Come on, my brother, join us. ============================================================== So you view bothering someone that in no way asked for your "gain" as a gift?? 🥳
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Post by davidsf on Nov 22, 2019 5:57:08 GMT -8
What kind of self-a sorbed monsters would we be, Al, if we did not share our gain with those not as fortunate around us. we share because, that’s what we do. Come on, my brother, join us. ============================================================== So you view bothering someone that in no way asked for your "gain" as a gift?? 🥳
That’s the exciting part... we don’t know whose heart has been prepared. We might meet resistance, we might get met with a delay, we might help launch someone into the Kingdom of God... all we can do is speak (or write) as the Holy Spirit bids us speak (or write). The rest is up to God.
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