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Post by Bick on Jan 12, 2020 6:15:22 GMT -8
I was looking for things that would be undeniably evil... Hitler, Pot, Dahmer, etc. Maybe there's a good part of the population that think they're OK? Can't really tell anymore. If evil is only a human concept, open to the ' changes & definitions' of the times and the people involved, those you named aren't evil by definition. They're only " evil" according to who you might ask. The " true for you, but not for me" effect that liberals so love. It's as nonsensical as everything else liberals do and say. Remember, these are people (liberals) who love & support Muslims & Islam AND love & ALSO support " gay marriage," " Transgenderism" and all the rest of the hateful, anti-scientific "LGBTQRTS" agenda. Muslims regularly kill "gays" and those who want to pose as a gender they really are not.... senseless destructive idiocy from liberals again ,,, their very ideas are self-destructive LOL Evil Dangerous & evil insanity all of it. None of it works in reality, it only causes death, pain and misery... evil does ... & destruction. And to RSM point, Hitler followers likely didn't think they were evil. Come to think of it, millions of Muslims think we are the great Satan and want to kill us. Millions of liberals believe trump and his supporters are evil,and want to marginalize them. The more I considered this after everyone's posts here (nice job BTW - lots to consider and respectful dialogue), the more convinced I am there really is no absolute good or evil for a growing number of our population. If we can no longer agree what a man and woman is, how could we possibly know the difference between good and evil? |
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Jan 12, 2020 9:14:42 GMT -8
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Post by MDDad on Jan 12, 2020 9:14:42 GMT -8
If we can no longer agree what a man and woman is, how could we possibly know the difference between good and evil? I agree. Ever since the killing of Qasem Soleimani, the Democratic presidential candidates, the Squad and the mainstream media have all painted Trump as the bad guy in that episode, and Soleimani as the good guy. That about says all we need to know about those three entities. The only thing that would make Soleimani more of a hero in their eyes is if he was really a woman who "transitioned". |
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Jan 12, 2020 10:36:00 GMT -8
Post by davidsf on Jan 12, 2020 10:36:00 GMT -8
I was looking for things that would be undeniably evil... Hitler, Pot, Dahmer, etc. Playing Devils advocate, Hitler and his henchmen did not believe Hitler was evil. To them, it was deniable. I almost agree, if what you are saying is, that gang did not think in terms of “good” and “evil” but more in narcissistic terms (something like “what is beneficial to me?”) obviously, none of them woke up one morning, thinking to themselves, “Hey, I think I’ll butcher 6,000,000 Jews this year.” evil spirits don’t even try to get someone to that kind of a goal all at once... it is a process that starts with [this] decision, which makes [this other] decision a little easier... and so on until you have a Hitler or a Stalin or a Pot (etc). |
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Jan 12, 2020 10:57:18 GMT -8
Post by RSM789 on Jan 12, 2020 10:57:18 GMT -8
To piggyback on Bicks & MDDads above posts, without a stalwart (typically religion), good and evil become a perspective. While I don't believe that is necessarily a positive for mankind, perspectives can be changed.
The greatest example of perspectives changing that I have ever witnessed has been from my wife. It doesn't involve good & evil, but is a good illustration nonetheless. She comes from a family where her father was a union truck driver and mother worked in the administration office for the school district. I grew up with a dad who owned his own business and over the years, all 6 of us kids also went into business for ourselves. While dating and in our first few years of marriage, we disagreed on many aspects of the employment process and the concept of who "owns" a particular job, the person doing it (employee) or the person paying for it to be done (employer). After a few years of marriage, we started our own company and my wife got a viewpoint of employment from the other side. She is now one of the most hardline, pro company people when it comes to the employee/employer relationship. This sweet, empathetic girl I married now yells at picketers on strike to go back to work.
The inherent problem in changing peoples perspective is that it takes trust for the changee to make the effort to see what the other side is seeing. That seems to be gone and it is just so much easier to just run over folks, ignoring what they say. The fact that many people are spouting nonsense clouds the situation so much more, for you can't reason with an unreasonable person. I believe it comes down to the individual wanting to know the truth as opposed to wanting to be right for such change of perspective to occur.
While there is disagreement about who first said it, I have always held close the phrase "A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still".
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Post by RSM789 on Jan 12, 2020 11:02:13 GMT -8
Playing Devils advocate, Hitler and his henchmen did not believe Hitler was evil. To them, it was deniable. I almost agree, if what you are saying is, that gang did not think in terms of “good” and “evil” but more in narcissistic terms (something like “what is beneficial to me?”) obviously, none of them woke up one morning, thinking to themselves, “Hey, I think I’ll butcher 6,000,000 Jews this year.” evil spirits don’t even try to get someone to that kind of a goal all at once... it is a process that starts with [this] decision, which makes [this other] decision a little easier... and so on until you have a Hitler or a Stalin or a Pot (etc). From what I have read, I don't believe the Nazi's were doing what they did for narcissistic reasons, but rather for patriotic reasons. Rounding up and killing the Jews, invading other countries, enslaving other populations to work in factories was all done for their country (in their mind). They believed the acts they were doing were good because it would benefit their nation and countrymen. They were rationalizing decisions to do evil things. |
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Jan 12, 2020 11:47:10 GMT -8
Post by captaintrips on Jan 12, 2020 11:47:10 GMT -8
If evil is only a human concept, open to the ' changes & definitions' of the times and the people involved, those you named aren't evil by definition. They're only " evil" according to who you might ask. The " true for you, but not for me" effect that liberals so love. It's as nonsensical as everything else liberals do and say. Remember, these are people (liberals) who love & support Muslims & Islam AND love & ALSO support " gay marriage," " Transgenderism" and all the rest of the hateful, anti-scientific "LGBTQRTS" agenda. Muslims regularly kill "gays" and those who want to pose as a gender they really are not.... senseless destructive idiocy from liberals again ,,, their very ideas are self-destructive LOL Evil Dangerous & evil insanity all of it. None of it works in reality, it only causes death, pain and misery... evil does ... & destruction. And to RSM point, Hitler followers likely didn't think they were evil. Come to think of it, millions of Muslims think we are the great Satan and want to kill us. Millions of liberals believe trump and his supporters are evil,and want to marginalize them. The more I considered this after everyone's posts here (nice job BTW - lots to consider and respectful dialogue), the more convinced I am there really is no absolute good or evil for a growing number of our population.If we can no longer agree what a man and woman is, how could we possibly know the difference between good and evil?
the more convinced I am there really is no absolute good or evil for a growing number of our population.
If we can no longer agree what a man and woman is, how could we possibly know the difference between good and evil?Important points you make. Of course many Germans in that time didn't think what was being done was evil. Their 'leader' used words & sophistries to manipulate people to think that what was to be done, was an inherent GOOD ! It was something desired ! Something positive ! Of course there were those who surely didn't agree, ... ..but this was the " big thing" going on, what can one do when all around him are those who want this ? This illustrates how easily masses of people can be manipulated to perform & support evil doctrines & ideas. We've seen this in America. We have " legal" infant sacrifice. - which many people honor & hold to like a religious doctrine. We have " gay marriage" and " transgenderism" and the rest of the LBGTQRST stew of illness being openly supported. ... and as you point out; " If we can no longer agree what a man and woman is, how could we possibly know the difference between good and evil?" All of these things are designed to divide & destroy... ALL of us. That's how evil works - what is does. Destroys. We buy evil ideas believing they will benefit us. .. they may make us feel good for a time. But they destroy. Always. |
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