Bick
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Post by Bick on Jan 9, 2020 11:44:39 GMT -8
Not seeing much outrage over this.
If their anti aircraft defense really can't tell the difference between a commercial airliner that eminated from their own airport, and a military jet, I would think even the most ardent never Trumpers would breathe a sigh of relief at the prospect of a full scale war with them.
They might end up downing more of their jets than ours.
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Post by davidsf on Jan 9, 2020 12:11:34 GMT -8
I see something slightly different. From my perspective, the UKRAINIAN jet was their target.
We don’t have to think back too far to recall the worldwide prominence enjoyed by the newly elected Ukrainian President. An illiterate, but hate-filled demoniac like the A’aholla could easily be led to believe hurting the Ukraine would also hurt Trump.
Now, I do not believe the A’aholla is savvy enough to draw that conclusion on his own, so who helped him draw it?
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Post by tarmac on Jan 9, 2020 14:14:40 GMT -8
Planes were taking off before this plane was shot down and a slow moving aircraft at only 7000 feet only a few miles from the airport should tell them this was not US fighter. Somebody or something was on that plane that the republican guard did not want to leave Iran.
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Post by Zebra on Jan 9, 2020 14:32:45 GMT -8
No outrage from me. It's unfortunate and possibly criminal but with 25 airliner shootdowns since 1970 I woulda thunk the lesson is don't fly into airspace where missles are flying around or where your IFF isn't recognized or a itchy trigger finger is sitting in a CnC trailer freaking out. It ahppens and it'll happen again somewhere ...
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Post by ProfessorFate on Jan 9, 2020 15:52:07 GMT -8
No outrage from me. It's unfortunate and possibly criminal but with 25 airliner shootdowns since 1970 I woulda thunk the lesson is don't fly into airspace where missles are flying around or where your IFF isn't recognized or a itchy trigger finger is sitting in a CnC trailer freaking out. It ahppens and it'll happen again somewhere ... Except that this plane didn't fly into Iran...it was leaving Iran. I have no doubt that some Iranians, expecting an American retaliation thought that this was a B52, and panicked. If so this makes the Iranians look like a bunch of bumbling blithering idiots.  |
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Post by MDDad on Jan 9, 2020 15:53:41 GMT -8
Did you have any doubts before?
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Post by Luca on Jan 9, 2020 16:32:59 GMT -8
No outrage from me. It's unfortunate and possibly criminal but with 25 airliner shootdowns since 1970 I woulda thunk the lesson is don't fly into airspace where missles are flying around or where your IFF isn't recognized or a itchy trigger finger is sitting in a CnC trailer freaking out. It ahppens and it'll happen again somewhere ... I suspect that the pilot in the airliner didn't know that Iran had launched a bunch of missiles a few hours before and didn't know they were flying into (or out of) contested airspace. I don't think you can put any responsibility on the pilots. For God's sake, 7000 feet is only a little over a mile up. You can see the damned airplane from miles away. Firing a SAM at a relatively slow moving plane going away from you and gaining altitude when you're right near a commercial airport is amazingly amateurish. Why wouldn't Iran recognize an IFF?.......................................Luca |
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Bick
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Post by Bick on Jan 9, 2020 17:27:41 GMT -8
Good news... Iran didn't do it.
Cue up some John Fogerty.
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Post by SK80 on Jan 9, 2020 17:39:07 GMT -8
Well if Iran swears so... then you know...... well ya they didn't. I'm gonna assume they swore on the Holy Bible !!  |
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Post by Luca on Jan 9, 2020 17:54:15 GMT -8
Well, they said that it's "totally ruled out." Not just a little bit, but "totally." So that closes the book on that bit of unpleasantness. I'm totally satisfied...........................Luca
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Post by Bick on Jan 9, 2020 18:05:12 GMT -8
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Post by SK80 on Jan 9, 2020 18:21:57 GMT -8
Best garage band ever!
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Post by Bick on Jan 9, 2020 18:24:11 GMT -8
We should take bets as to which celebrity and or politician blames trump for downing the jet (or its engine failure).
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Post by SK80 on Jan 9, 2020 18:28:44 GMT -8
We should take bets as to which celebrity and or politician blames trump for downing the jet (or its engine failure). these stretches are getting so far that even "Stretch Pelosi" shall stay shut! |
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Post by ProfessorFate on Jan 9, 2020 21:12:17 GMT -8
We should take bets as to which celebrity and or politician blames trump for downing the jet (or its engine failure). Buttigieg nominates himself. He's facing backlash over this. |
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