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Post by SK80 on Feb 9, 2020 15:01:40 GMT -8
Was he not REMOVED not FIRED? I see all these headlines being run, I see it in this thread, yet he may have been removed from his post but reassigned and still in the Army.
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Post by Bick on Feb 9, 2020 15:33:03 GMT -8
I don't think he was court-martialed if that's what you mean
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Post by Credo on Feb 9, 2020 18:45:40 GMT -8
Was he not REMOVED not FIRED? I see all these headlines being run, I see it in this thread, yet he may have been removed from his post but reassigned and still in the Army. Correct. Perhaps the thread title itself needs to be corrected to properly reflect that he was "removed" from the NSC. He still remains in the military. Sondland was "recalled" ahead of the end of his rotation as well. I assume he is still on the government dole. |
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Post by Credo on Feb 9, 2020 19:46:56 GMT -8
Upon further review, I did agree trump was within his right to fire him ☝️. Based on my cursory evaluation, I also now agree he wouldn't be subject to whistleblower protection. It's just tough to cut thru all the biased theatrics to evaluate taking a more objective position on these issues. Between the MSM and low-information folks (like you-know-who...) whose default perspective is stridently anti-Trump a person really needs to do some research to be able to ferret out the wheat from the chaff in all these stories. I find The Federalist website to be one of the best sources for clear-eyed political analysis. |
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Post by Credo on Feb 9, 2020 22:10:41 GMT -8
If they only knew what was waiting for them on the other side of Impeachment....
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Post by vilepagan on Feb 10, 2020 4:37:52 GMT -8
Of course he had the right to fire him, but that doesn't mean it WAS right to fire him.
I notice no one wants to talk about Vindman's brother and his firing...what were the good reasons he was fired?
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Post by Bick on Feb 10, 2020 7:37:16 GMT -8
I wasn't clear the firing was not protected by whistleblower statute. After that, and unless there's a contract requiring cause prior to dismissal, I assume employment is at-will.
At-will employees are expected to support the leadership. When they don't, yes, they should be dismissed or resign. Without speaking directly with the president about this, and absent of any official word, I'd be purely speculating why the twin and Sondland were dismissed.
Further, there's a pretty widespread, if not clearly articulated mantra among employers...Believe, or Leave. Sometimes we have to make that decision for the employees. The president brought exponentially more experience as an employer than any of his recent predecessors. His success is testimony to his ability to maintain that mantra within his organization.
I think the primary reason this topic was even an issue, is that it's viewed and promoted by media from the paradigm of an entitled employee.
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Post by vilepagan on Feb 10, 2020 11:18:36 GMT -8
Oh well, we wouldn't want anyone to speculate now would we...it seems to me that speculation of that sort makes up 99.9% of what's posted on this forum.
What about all his failures? Trump Steaks...Trump University...several (6) casinos...etc. What do these failures say about his ability to maintain the "mantra"?
Perhaps in the media you peruse, but in all the stories I've read about Vindman he's portrayed as a decorated veteran.
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Post by Bick on Feb 10, 2020 12:33:27 GMT -8
Seems like some guys who wouldn't know their ass from a hole in the ground about certain issues, will have strong opinions about those issues after relying on a clearly biased media.
If you're really saying Trump was not a successful businessman because he had some failures along the way, you might have a better conversation with Wabash back at the site you moderate.
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Post by Zebra on Feb 10, 2020 14:38:52 GMT -8
Oh well, we wouldn't want anyone to speculate now would we...it seems to me that speculation of that sort makes up 99.9% of what's posted on this forum. What about all his failures? Trump Steaks...Trump University...several (6) casinos...etc. What do these failures say about his ability to maintain the "mantra"? Perhaps in the media you peruse, but in all the stories I've read about Vindman he's portrayed as a decorated veteran. "Decorated veteran" here ... I have a CIB (2 qualifying eras) and a PH from Desert Storm, a few other awards in my 23 years active .. I've done some pretty shitty things in my day so nobody is untouchable. Just because you wear hardware doesn't make you a saint or better than anyone else. The one that got me sent up was arguing (insubordination) with a 2nd Lt after a damn softball game and finding myself in Thule, Greenland 24 hours later for the next year .... so yea, they can pretty much do whatever they want. To get out of Greenland I had to teach Saudi's how to bomb sand dunes. |
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Post by Zebra on Feb 10, 2020 14:43:48 GMT -8
Was he not REMOVED not FIRED? I see all these headlines being run, I see it in this thread, yet he may have been removed from his post but reassigned and still in the Army. He was "reassigned". That's what happens when you go afoul in the military. Someone with a bigger hand can tell you where to go and what to do ... and the next thing you know you're in fricking Greenland on November 3, 1977 |
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Post by davidsf on Feb 10, 2020 16:03:11 GMT -8
Every competent business person knows failure. They don’t let it stop them. The successful ones learn from it, dust themselves off, and go at it again. Failure is part of success, and one hopes you can also one day pick yourself up from the failure that is your life and eventually rise again to be a well adjusted human being.
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Post by Bick on Feb 10, 2020 17:39:04 GMT -8
Every competent business person knows failure. They don’t let it stop them. The successful ones learn from it, dust themselves off, and go at it again. Failure is part of success, and one hopes you can also one day pick yourself up from the failure that is your life and eventually rise again to be a well adjusted human being. Anyone who has actually been on the hook knows this. I think Trump's success rate is well over 90% with his other 200+ enterprises over the years. Just cracks me up when I hear someone point to his failures as some evidence he's an incompetent business person. They may as well just stamp "Dumbass" on their forehead. |
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Post by Credo on Feb 10, 2020 23:21:50 GMT -8
Zebra, your quoting above a certain member here reminded me once again why I long ago BLOCKED this person's posts. Thank you.
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Post by vilepagan on Feb 11, 2020 4:43:37 GMT -8
Seems like some guys can't talk about the topic.
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