Bick
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Post by Bick on Feb 27, 2020 7:53:54 GMT -8
When ideology meets reality. Maybe there really are consequences to this whole "welcoming", open border thing being espoused by the left.
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davidsf
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Post by davidsf on Feb 27, 2020 8:01:06 GMT -8
Being an island with severely limited space only exacerbates the issue, particularly in Europe where refugees are joined by terrorists and opportunists and it is difficult to distinguish the differences between the groups.
Stipulating open borders and welcoming states affords those en route the perception they have a right because they desire. Absent any entry requirements, there is no oversight, as we are seeing here (even though we don’t exactly have open borders, “porous” borders are almost as bad): Adjoining countries like Mexico have no impetus to stem the flow and, at times, have even availed themselves of the opportunity to rid themselves of less-than-desirable citizens. Good examples include gang-bangers: Mexico doesn’t want them, and THEY want to be here so Mexico does nothing to impede their progress north.
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Post by SK80 on Feb 27, 2020 8:08:38 GMT -8
I think an island named Lesbos should enforce the idea "females" only.....  |
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Post by Bick on Feb 27, 2020 8:21:51 GMT -8
Dave - the takeaway should be how the Greek Socialist gov't is handling this as it relates to its own citizens...tear gas and rubber bullets.
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Post by MDDad on Feb 27, 2020 9:17:55 GMT -8
(even though we don’t exactly have open borders, “porous” borders are almost as bad) They're not really porous, though, right? I mean we do have that new 3 1/2 mile section of border wall. |
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Post by davidsf on Feb 27, 2020 9:49:19 GMT -8
(even though we don’t exactly have open borders, “porous” borders are almost as bad) They're not really porous, though, right? I mean we do have that new 3 1/2 mile section of border wall. You are going to have to get over your fixation on the border wall some day. i look forward to that day. |
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Post by tarmac on Feb 27, 2020 9:51:12 GMT -8
(even though we don’t exactly have open borders, “porous” borders are almost as bad) They're not really porous, though, right? I mean we do have that new 3 1/2 mile section of border wall. I happy to see we have one liberal on this board. |
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Post by MDDad on Feb 27, 2020 10:41:22 GMT -8
They're not really porous, though, right? I mean we do have that new 3 1/2 mile section of border wall. I happy to see we have one liberal on this board. I'm about as liberal as Benito Mussolini. However, I try to present a contrarian point of view that is not far right, because without contrarian opinions these forums aren't worth the time of day. OCConnect is the perfect example of that. |
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Post by RSM789 on Feb 28, 2020 20:12:55 GMT -8
I happy to see we have one liberal on this board. I'm about as liberal as Benito Mussolini. However, I try to present a contrarian point of view that is not far right, because without contrarian opinions these forums aren't worth the time of day. OCConnect is the perfect example of that. It is one thing to present a contrarian point of view. It is another thing to snarkily misrepresent information and claim it be factual By doing the latter, you lower yourself to TOB posting standards. |
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Post by SK80 on Feb 29, 2020 0:14:01 GMT -8
MDDad isn't exactly a liberal, rather something resembling a "Never Trumper". Although not, nor like, you can still be "conservative" yet not support nor like President Trump. Is Bill Kristol still a conservative?
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Post by Bick on Feb 29, 2020 7:08:48 GMT -8
Being an island with severely limited space only exacerbates the issue, particularly in Europe where refugees are joined by terrorists and opportunists and it is difficult to distinguish the differences between the groups. Stipulating open borders and welcoming states affords those en route the perception they have a right because they desire. Absent any entry requirements, there is no oversight, as we are seeing here (even though we don’t exactly have open borders, “porous” borders are almost as bad): Adjoining countries like Mexico have no impetus to stem the flow and, at times, have even availed themselves of the opportunity to rid themselves of less-than-desirable citizens. Good examples include gang-bangers: Mexico doesn’t want them, and THEY want to be here so Mexico does nothing to impede their progress north. That they are such stark examples of the fact resources are always limited, should make them the poster child against the platforms that fail to recognize it, and what these so called benevolent governments will do to its own citizens to enforce their "benevolence". |
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Post by davidsf on Feb 29, 2020 10:31:38 GMT -8
Being an island with severely limited space only exacerbates the issue, particularly in Europe where refugees are joined by terrorists and opportunists and it is difficult to distinguish the differences between the groups. Stipulating open borders and welcoming states affords those en route the perception they have a right because they desire. Absent any entry requirements, there is no oversight, as we are seeing here (even though we don’t exactly have open borders, “porous” borders are almost as bad): Adjoining countries like Mexico have no impetus to stem the flow and, at times, have even availed themselves of the opportunity to rid themselves of less-than-desirable citizens. Good examples include gang-bangers: Mexico doesn’t want them, and THEY want to be here so Mexico does nothing to impede their progress north. That they are such stark examples of the fact resources are always limited, should make them the poster child against the platforms that fail to recognize it, and what these so called benevolent governments will do to its own citizens to enforce their "benevolence". I agree, but, as you saya AND as we see right here at home, “benevolent” politicians ARE willing to overlook the needs of their citizens to appear benevolent when, in fact, they are pandering opportunists. |
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Post by Bick on Mar 1, 2020 8:43:36 GMT -8
How nice of turkey to give refugees rides to the border of another country.
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