Schumer Rebuked by SCOTUS

To put any blame on Trump for this is wrong for two reasons. First, everyone is responsible for their own actions & speech. If people could be made to be more civil just by having the right role model, then Mitt Romney would have made a great president...wait, Romney made a unprovoked personal & public attack on candidate Trump, declaring him incompetent for the job and then never apologized for being wrong. Never mind. Instead consider Harry Reid, who lied about candidate Romney not paying his taxes, a stunt he pulled on the Senate floor well before Trump was ever a candidate. The Dems have been pulling this crap for decades, but now comes along someone who gives it back better than them, and Trump is the problem? I don't think so.

Second, Trump has never threatened anyone. He is loud, obnoxious, narcissistic and can get under his enemies skins. So? How does being boorish translate into suddenly "forcing" Chuck Schumer into threatening Supreme court justices and attempting to intimidate justices in the middle of a case? Schumer did that because that is the type of person Schumer is, a horrible, power hungry POS who would be homeless if politics didn't exist.

Trump is like the loudmouth player on a sports team who constantly comes through in the clutch. If he is on your team, you like him, if he is on the other team, you hate him.

Personally, I am not interested in the opinions of folks from Germany, Austria or the Netherlands about our country. They are irrelevant.

Oh, I agree he is an embarrassment.  I’ve suggested repeatedly someone should shut him up:  He is childishly arrogant and puerile.

but it doesn’t overshadow what he is doing for the country so far and is also vastly superior to the alternative.

in my opinion, you and I see pretty much the same behavior and we both find it base and unpresidential... but we come to different conclusions (you because of it, me despite it).

I don’t think we’re addressing the same point. I didn’t blame Donald Trump for what Schumer said, far less accuse him of "forcing" Schumer to say it. What I said was"

"The one person most responsible...[for]…..the way that public political speech is heading"

is Donald Trump. That doesn’t make Trump responsible for what everybody else now says, it merely points that he has established a new low for precedents (and presidents, for that matter). Schumer just lowered the bar yet another notch. What he said would have been merely distasteful if referring to a political opponent but, as a nationally prominent politician, talking like that about Supreme Court justices is unprecedented.

Politicians such as Romney have criticized their political opponents and challenged their competence as long as there have been elections. There is ample precedent for that. There is nothing unseemly or even unusual about it as long as it's done within certain standards, as in Romney's case.

What I was referring to was the adolescent tweets, the "mini Mike", "crazy Bernie", the introduction of junior high level name calling and ad hominem comments that are well beyond what national figures are expected to employ. If you can't make your points without sounding like a preteen Jimmy Hoffa then either you're incapable or undisciplined. No one in his position has been "pulling this crap for decades" to my knowledge. You have to distinguish underhanded political behavior from public political speech. There’s a difference. Once you lower the standards of communication to a playground level, it’s going to be hard to reestablish appropriate standards.

If you aren’t interested in the opinions of historical allies, you’re going to find the next you get into a jam that you’re in what my martial arts instructor used to call a "yoyo" situation. …."You’re On Your Own.”

"Tact is the knack of making a point without making an enemy." (Isaac Newton)

To believe that you have to ignore all that was said over the past decade by Obama ("Republicans need to ride in the back of the car"), Harry Reid ("Word on the street is that Mitt Romney hasn't paid his taxes in years"), Mitt Romney ("Donald Trump is a phony, a fraud") as well as the hundreds on the left who accused George Bush of being everything from a racist to a war criminal.  Now you have a guy who comes back at them differently than anyone else & you claim he is responsible for the way political speech is headed?

Which is worse, to nickname someone "Crooked Hillary" or to say that they are "literally Hitler" as dozens of lefties in office and in media have called Bush & Trump?

I'm not saying that many of puerile comments are not accurate, and I'm not saying that politicians in the past are not also sometimes guilty of crossing the line. But this is an American president who is continuously making comments more suitable for a New York taxi driver. You don't believe that points can be effectively made without appealing to the lowest common denominator?

Eventually he's going to be out of office, and what if some similarly rabid left wing firebrand takes his place? Do you think it's good for the country to toss out the tradition of measured speech and logic in favor of "Your mama wears Army boots"? Do you really not want to hold an American president to a standard of speech higher than an anonymous website such as this? You don't think there's going to be any repercussions to that?

You can support someone's policies and at the same time bemoan their demeanor. You're entitled to your impression of the man, but he's sure as hell no role model for any subsequent president I hope to see............................Luca

RSM has a point MDDad, if this board were the globe and these threads countries..., you my friend would have an image at times similar to Trump. 

I want other countries to like us as well, but mostly respect us. Remember what you here "OTHER" countries think id being fed to you by journalists and politicians looking back at ya MDDad through those rose colored glasses. Honestly most of the America bashing IMHO is from or a form of envy. I have a few Austrian relatives as well whom dislike Trump, but it is more about the notion he is NOT green enough. I'm telling you the left over there are environmental extremists.