SK80
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Post by SK80 on Mar 1, 2019 11:56:47 GMT -8
I think many agree with you, many not so much. I don't think anyone whom supports Trump or what he is trying to accomplish doesn't cringe at some of the outlandish comments he has made giving his supports hesitation and his critics fodder. You are right in this sense, we have never ever really truly seen someone like this guy and this will go down in history in context to what I can not even imagine.
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Post by Credo on Mar 1, 2019 12:10:21 GMT -8
SK, you can play games with semantics all you want, but I don't think I've ever seen a bigger liar in public life. Look, I support many of the things Trump is trying to do, and I oppose some. My problem is that they are wrapped up in the person of Trump. And when it comes to his humanity or "personhood", I find everything about him revolting. With all due respect, I have to lean with SK80 on this one. Trump rarely tells an out-and-out lie. What he issues regularly--every day, every hour--is the rhetorical hyperbole. Call it semantics if you wish, but this is who he is as a salesman. The CNN/MSNBC yammering about "8,000+ lies he's told" is pure derangement based on their need to interpret everything he does in the worst possible light. As was wisely remarked back in the campaign, his supporters take him seriously but not literally (e.g., the "lock her up", "build the wall", and "Mexico is going to pay for it."); his opponents do the opposite: they take him literally but not seriously. Which is why his style drives them absolutely bonkers. It can bother me at times, but I know exactly what he means when he speaks. The substance of Trump's policies is nothing more than what the GOP has been promising for decades; he's just finally attempting to deliver. And that is what the D.C. UniParty cannot tolerate. He is exposing them all for the useless and self-supporting elite that they are. Thank God. |
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Post by Credo on Mar 1, 2019 12:16:59 GMT -8
Back to Cohen. (via Sundance at The Last Refuge website, who seems to be more in the know than anyone)
This disclosure by Lynn Patton about Cohen's "motivation" in turning on Trump is pretty stunning, if not surprising in laying bare the whole corrupt scheme of Rosenstein, Mueller, Weissmann, and the Democrats to take down Trump by any means necessary:
Robert Mueller is the cover-up.
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Post by davidsf on Mar 1, 2019 12:57:21 GMT -8
SK, you can play games with semantics all you want, but I don't think I've ever seen a bigger liar in public life. Look, I support many of the things Trump is trying to do, and I oppose some. My problem is that they are wrapped up in the person of Trump. And when it comes to his humanity or "personhood", I find everything about him revolting. Here’s my deal with Trump. I start from a platform that he was the better of the two choices we had, given that one of them would win. I would have preferred to have had a choice between Marco Rubio or Ted Cruz and Hillary Clinton, But that wasn’t the program. Sad to say, I didn’t so much vote for Trump as I voted against Hillary. I was taking a hard look at Gary Johnson, but he stood no chance of winning, so... i don’t like Trump as a person. I don’t find “everything” about him revolting. But enough things about him are that I wouldn’t mind if anyone else (who isn’t a democrat) beats him this time around. that said, however, although he claims the contrary, he IS a politician. He makes claims and generally appeals to his base and I tend to give him a bye on most of that crapola because he is also a target of the left. Even stuff he does with which I disagree (such as a national emergency to build a wall), I give him a bye because the democrats and the media threaten, and cajole, and defraud, and hate him so relentlessly. These baseless, hate-filled democrats are STILL trying to run the country into the ground and, with all his warts, he is still a thorn in their sides... they still want us to become a third world country, a socialist country, and a new world order. For all his faults and missteps, He at least still stands in their way. |
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Post by SK80 on Mar 1, 2019 13:02:51 GMT -8
"For all his faults and missteps, He at least still stands in their way."
Thankfully as the rest of the GOP has been spineless and this new or newer Democratic party is playing real warfare, one in which many of the old establishment wouldn't compete. Let's say this, Trump is the "Flack Jacket" for the conservative cause we want to protect.
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Post by MDDad on Mar 1, 2019 14:10:49 GMT -8
SK, you can play games with semantics all you want, but I don't think I've ever seen a bigger liar in public life. Look, I support many of the things Trump is trying to do, and I oppose some. My problem is that they are wrapped up in the person of Trump. And when it comes to his humanity or "personhood", I find everything about him revolting. Here’s my deal with Trump. I start from a platform that he was the better of the two choices we had, given that one of them would win. I would have preferred to have had a choice between Marco Rubio or Ted Cruz and Hillary Clinton, But that wasn’t the program. Sad to say, I didn’t so much vote for Trump as I voted against Hillary. I was taking a hard look at Gary Johnson, but he stood no chance of winning, so... i don’t like Trump as a person. I don’t find “everything” about him revolting. But enough things about him are that I wouldn’t mind if anyone else (who isn’t a democrat) beats him this time around. that said, however, although he claims the contrary, he IS a politician. He makes claims and generally appeals to his base and I tend to give him a bye on most of that crapola because he is also a target of the left. Even stuff he does with which I disagree (such as a national emergency to build a wall), I give him a bye because the democrats and the media threaten, and cajole, and defraud, and hate him so relentlessly. These baseless, hate-filled democrats are STILL trying to run the country into the ground and, with all his warts, he is still a thorn in their sides... they still want us to become a third world country, a socialist country, and a new world order. For all his faults and missteps, He at least still stands in their way. If you believe he's a "thorn" with "warts", who makes almost hourly "faults and missteps", then I guess we agree more than I thought. |
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Post by ProfessorFate on Mar 1, 2019 14:32:30 GMT -8
That is IMHO right on the nose.
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Post by duke on Mar 1, 2019 14:33:38 GMT -8
Back to Cohen. (via Sundance at The Last Refuge website, who seems to be more in the know than anyone) This disclosure by Lynn Patton about Cohen's "motivation" in turning on Trump is pretty stunning, if not surprising in laying bare the whole corrupt scheme of Rosenstein, Mueller, Weissmann, and the Democrats to take down Trump by any means necessary: Robert Mueller is the cover-up.It is rumored that the same tactic was used by Mueller and his team of Dems on General Flynn, threatening Flynn's son, if he did not plead guilty. Mueller is not the champion of ethics which he was reported to be, and I believe he is in it to protect Hillary, Obama, and his buddies in the DOJ, FBI, and CIA from exposure. |
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Post by ProfessorFate on Mar 1, 2019 14:44:00 GMT -8
Yes! I agree. I expect to see a pardon for Flynn when this is all said and done.
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Post by davidsf on Mar 1, 2019 17:37:33 GMT -8
Here’s my deal with Trump. I start from a platform that he was the better of the two choices we had, given that one of them would win. I would have preferred to have had a choice between Marco Rubio or Ted Cruz and Hillary Clinton, But that wasn’t the program. Sad to say, I didn’t so much vote for Trump as I voted against Hillary. I was taking a hard look at Gary Johnson, but he stood no chance of winning, so... i don’t like Trump as a person. I don’t find “everything” about him revolting. But enough things about him are that I wouldn’t mind if anyone else (who isn’t a democrat) beats him this time around. that said, however, although he claims the contrary, he IS a politician. He makes claims and generally appeals to his base and I tend to give him a bye on most of that crapola because he is also a target of the left. Even stuff he does with which I disagree (such as a national emergency to build a wall), I give him a bye because the democrats and the media threaten, and cajole, and defraud, and hate him so relentlessly. These baseless, hate-filled democrats are STILL trying to run the country into the ground and, with all his warts, he is still a thorn in their sides... they still want us to become a third world country, a socialist country, and a new world order. For all his faults and missteps, He at least still stands in their way. If you believe he's a "thorn" with "warts", who makes almost hourly "faults and missteps", then I guess we agree more than I thought. Probably true. however, despite my personal distaste for the man, I am frequently seen/heard/read defending him because of the daily BS put on him by the democrats, their media outlets and their lesser reasoned minions. It becomes mostly habitual when, for example, I take up his cause in a place like this... but I am also willing to fall on my sword when I’m shown I’m doing it again... |
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Post by Credo on Mar 1, 2019 19:45:57 GMT -8
Tucker Carkson's open last night showed how Michael Cohen's testimony utterly shredded the Trump-Russia Collusion narrative.
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Post by Bick on Mar 2, 2019 9:03:39 GMT -8
SK, you can play games with semantics all you want, but I don't think I've ever seen a bigger liar in public life. Look, I support many of the things Trump is trying to do, and I oppose some. My problem is that they are wrapped up in the person of Trump. And when it comes to his humanity or "personhood", I find everything about him revolting. Not intending to be overly argumentative, but what are his last couple blatant lies? |
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Post by MDDad on Mar 2, 2019 9:21:53 GMT -8
Honest to God, Bick, I don't know his most recent ones. I've made it a point to never, ever listen to the man anymore.
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Post by coach on Mar 2, 2019 9:37:15 GMT -8
Honest to God, Bick, I don't know his most recent ones. I've made it a point to never, ever listen to the man anymore. I hear from some that quote liberal leaders regarding Trump lying, however when you try to pin them down about what he has lied about, they cant come up with any. How odd. It's the same at Trump haters wont publically admit they voted for Hillary. |
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Post by Credo on Mar 2, 2019 11:26:48 GMT -8
Honest to God, Bick, I don't know his most recent ones. I've made it a point to never, ever listen to the man anymore. I hear from some that quote liberal leaders regarding Trump lying, however when you try to pin them down about what he has lied about, they cant come up with any. How odd. It's the same at Trump haters wont publically admit they voted for Hillary. I've actually had this experience a few times when challenging someone to cite one of Trump's "numerous lies" and the only thing they will cite is his claim about the "crowd size" during his inauguration. Good grief. The media started this narrative on Day One and has kept it up ever since. First, his claim on the crowd size was more of his typical boasting, and I believe what he actually said was that more people watched his inauguration than any other in history, which is probably true when you take into account the millions streaming it live online, as I did in my classroom that morning. Perhaps more people actually attended Obama's 2008 inauguration in person, but smartphones and social media were in their infancy at that time. Regardless, I have yet to see any of these "thousands of lies" conclusively proven as a true prevarication, as opposed to the typical Trumpian exaggeration. |
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