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Post by MDDad on Jul 13, 2020 12:53:49 GMT -8
Kupp, the reason there were initially not many reported "cases" among young people was because they were largely asymptomatic and therefore weren't tested.
The reason children are poor spreaders of the virus is because the viral concentration, or "titer", in their exhalations, coughs and sneezes has been determined to be about 1/4 of what it is in adults.
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Post by kupprunneth on Jul 13, 2020 13:02:29 GMT -8
On the contrary, the greatest increase in COVID cases in the past month has been in the younger population, BY FAR. Do a Google search to see the facts. This is why the incidence has skyrocketed while deaths have also increased but not to the same extent. The major concern is that asympomatic young people are 'super spreaders' and are now putting the elderly and other high risk people in greater danger. Please get your facts and you terms straight. Where did anyone here say that young people were less likely to get infected? I never said that. What is true is that they are less likely to spread the infection to adults. The idea that children are 'super spreaders' is a debunked talking point meant to perpetuate fear. I did not say it was said here. I just presented facts from then this was first gaining steam. It was around the time where it was said African Americans were less susceptible to getting Covid, which was debunked rather quickly. Who is Newman Nahas? What's his special? Genuine question. I don't want to see any dip shit from Fox News giving his opinion. |
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Post by kupprunneth on Jul 13, 2020 13:06:37 GMT -8
online learning is absolutely inferior, NO DOUBT ABOUT IT. But I'll sacrifice that for some safety. Its going to be my job to make sure I do a better job at keeping my kids in line with their school work. And yes, in the beginning, it was said young people (kids) were not susceptible because they weren't many cases. That got debunked once young kids started to get it. I'd like to see the data about young folks are poor spreaders. That doesn't seem logical to me. There have always been plenty of cases of kids contracting COVID-19, but the effect on them has always been negligible. Not one single person under 18 has died of COVID in the entire state of California, yet somehow they are 'super spreaders' of the virus? Now that seems illogical to me. www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/CID/DCDC/Pages/COVID-19/COVID-19-Cases-by-Age-Group.aspx#Not one in Cali but there have been in other states, so just because Cali hasn't had a fatality doesn't mean it can't happen. We've already seen young people die from this disease across the country. Here's the thing. This state did a great job of shutting stuff down early. I think thats why its been slow here. But we're now going into territory that people expected us to be at back when it was April. Whatever we got to do to not be like NY, I'm all in for. |
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Post by kupprunneth on Jul 13, 2020 13:08:51 GMT -8
Kupp, the reason there were initially not many reported "cases" among young people was because they were largely asymptomatic and therefore weren't tested. The reason children are poor spreaders of the virus is because the viral concentration, or "titer", in their exhalations, coughs and sneezes has been determined to be about 1/4 of what it is in adults. now this makes sense. BUT, even if cough/sneezes is 1/4 of adults, this might be effective out in the public, but not in the household. We know parents/family would be in much closer contact when in home vs. outdoors/indoors in public. So that doesn't re-assure me too much. What it does say is I can be close to a kid (not mine) in public and not get sick but could get it from my own since I hug/kiss my own children. |
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Post by Credo on Jul 13, 2020 13:09:26 GMT -8
It was around the time where it was said African Americans were less susceptible to getting Covid, which was debunked rather quickly.
Who is Newman Nahas? What's his special? Genuine question. I don't want to see any dip shit from Fox News giving his opinion.
"It was said?" By whom? Stop knocking down straw men and consult actual data and science.
Read the studies. These people are only conduits of actual research. It doesn't matter who they are. We all owe it to ourselves and our families to do our own research. Even a dipshit can do that.
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Post by Credo on Jul 13, 2020 13:20:50 GMT -8
Not one in Cali but there have been in other states, so just because Cali hasn't had a fatality doesn't mean it can't happen. We've already seen young people die from this disease across the country. Here's the thing. This state did a great job of shutting stuff down early. I think thats why its been slow here. But we're now going into territory that people expected us to be at back when it was April. Whatever we got to do to not be like NY, I'm all in for. 1. Yeah, there's been around 14 kids between 5-17 in the entire nation that have died from COVID, and most of those had serious underlying health conditions. Kids are more likely to die from choking than COVID. In fact, 93% of all COVID deaths involve multiple comorbidities, so the death numbers we even have now don't tell the full picture and may likely be overstating the mortality of COVID. 2. You have no statistical data or science to support your 'idea' that California's policies had any appreciable effect on the spread or death rate of COVID. 3. Do you have any idea why there were so many more deaths in New York (and NYC) than in any other place in the country--and to what extent this had to do with various policies enacted by their governor? Because I do, but I've been talking about this on the General Discussion thread for four months now and I'm tired of being a human Google. Do your own research and then come back to the discussion. |
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Post by kupprunneth on Jul 13, 2020 13:21:50 GMT -8
It was around the time where it was said African Americans were less susceptible to getting Covid, which was debunked rather quickly.
Who is Newman Nahas? What's his special? Genuine question. I don't want to see any dip shit from Fox News giving his opinion.
"It was said?" By whom? Stop knocking down straw men and consult actual data and science. Read the studies. These people are only conduits of actual research. It doesn't matter who they are. We all owe it to ourselves and our families to do our own research. Even a dipshit can do that. I will find the articles where it was said African Americans had a gene that made them less susceptible. Again, this was back in March prior to stay at home. Has nobody else here seen those articles?? They were common. I've been following this since January and started taking pre-cautions since then. I was laughed at for buying masks before it was recommended. So I didn't just start following this virus. I do appreciate any form of knowledge from all sides and take that info and use it for my own opinion on what I should or shouldn't do. I didn't start eating out until maybe 2-3 weeks ago. All because someone provided me some facts about my fears. And yes, I do my own research and come to my conclusion on where we are at. But anything posted by anyone from Fox News goes into the trash for me. They still think this is fake. So I like to ask who's posting info because there's a lot of misinformation, from both sides, to be honest. I don't trust what many say. Just like you probably don't believe in what Fauci says. |
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Post by Credo on Jul 13, 2020 13:30:28 GMT -8
THIS: I do appreciate any form of knowledge from all sides and take that info and use it for my own opinion on what I should or shouldn't do.
Is contradicted by THIS: But anything posted by anyone from Fox News goes into the trash for me. They still think this is fake.
Look, I respect political differences but this kind of thinking betrays a blind spot that may be hindering your knowledge. I don't just relegate anything posted by a person from CNN 'into the trash.' An intellectually honest person will evaluate information apart from the source--while acknowledging possible bias. I'm sorry, but to say FOX News thinks COVID is a 'fake' is incredibly ignorant. Find me one single clip from any on-air person from FOX that says that and I will publicly apologize.
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Post by SK80 on Jul 13, 2020 13:49:15 GMT -8
Kupp if you discount FOX then certainly you can't believe the others... so what are these resources you are all over? Curious, your takes are not much substantiated?
Otherwise, see you on campus!
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Post by MDDad on Jul 13, 2020 13:52:55 GMT -8
Kupp, with all due respect, you seem to have bought into the commonly held notion that a minor possibly dying from COVID, even though statistically it's almost an impossibility, is somehow infinitely worse than a minor dying from any other cause, and must therefore be prevented at ALL costs. Meanwhile, all other deaths of minors are just accepted as the status quo, or the cost of doing business. Why is that so?
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Post by Credo on Jul 13, 2020 14:28:51 GMT -8
Servite is planning being back on campus five days a week beginning August 10. Under what conditions exactly, I still don't know right now. This issue of re-opening the schools is one of the most crucial aspects of 'righting the ship' on COVID, since almost everyone here either has school-age children or grandchildren. I have a 10 and 12 year old and both my wife and I want them to be in school fully--with no restrictions (no masks, no distancing, living life under as normal conditions as are possible).
The American Academy of Pediatricians came out strongly in favor of in-person return to school a couple of weeks ago, while seeming to hedge a bit in the past few days (under political pressure, IMHO) in terms of emphasizing 'safe return', which is what everyone wants while being vague enough to be open to anyone's interpretation.
Here's the story in the New York Times, which also cites information on children and teens being less likely to spread the virus to adults:
From the official publication of the American Academy of Pediatrics:
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Post by kupprunneth on Jul 13, 2020 14:40:04 GMT -8
Kupp, with all due respect, you seem to have bought into the commonly held notion that a minor possibly dying from COVID, even though statistically it's almost an impossibility, is somehow infinitely worse than a minor dying from any other cause, and must therefore be prevented at ALL costs. Meanwhile, all other deaths of minors are just accepted as the status quo, or the cost of doing business. Why is that so? not sure what you mean about other deaths of minors accepted as status quo, or the cost of doing business. |
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Post by MDDad on Jul 13, 2020 15:05:47 GMT -8
Kupp, with all due respect, you seem to have bought into the commonly held notion that a minor possibly dying from COVID, even though statistically it's almost an impossibility, is somehow infinitely worse than a minor dying from any other cause, and must therefore be prevented at ALL costs. Meanwhile, all other deaths of minors are just accepted as the status quo, or the cost of doing business. Why is that so? not sure what you mean about other deaths of minors accepted as status quo, or the cost of doing business. Minors die in car accidents, but we don't ban cars or limit them to 10 or 15 miles an hour. They drown in swimming pools, but we don't ban pools. They die of influenza in much greater numbers that COVID, but we don't shut down the entire country's citizenry and economy during our annual flu seasons. They die on bikes and motorcycles, but we don't ban those vehicles. So why do we accept those deaths without much second thought, but insist that COVID deaths, particularly of minors, must all be avoided and driven to zero, regardless of the cost? |
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Post by kupprunneth on Jul 13, 2020 15:31:46 GMT -8
not sure what you mean about other deaths of minors accepted as status quo, or the cost of doing business. Minors die in car accidents, but we don't ban cars or limit them to 10 or 15 miles an hour. They drown in swimming pools, but we don't ban pools. They die of influenza in much greater numbers that COVID, but we don't shut down the entire country's citizenry and economy during our annual flu seasons. They die on bikes and motorcycles, but we don't ban those vehicles. So why do we accept those deaths without much second thought, but insist that COVID deaths, particularly of minors, must all be avoided and driven to zero, regardless of the cost? all horrible comparisons. You can't die in a car accident by just walking by someone with covid, or touch a surface that was infected with covid. The problem with covid is how contagious it is. Driving a car is not contagious. 38k died from driving the car last year. How many times did people drive during the year, or sat in a car? Being in an auto is WAYYYY safer, based on those statistics, no?Swimming deaths doesn't occur because you sat near someone who is sick. We average less than 4000 deaths per year. Count the number of times someone swims and its highly unlikely you die from swimming based on frequency of swimming or driving. And with regards to influenza, the deaths reported by regular influenza or yearly figures is low compared to Covid. What were there last season, 62k deaths? We've more than surpassed that. What is that, .0008% fatality rate? Compared to the covid fatality rate of .04% currently shown on John Hopkins covid tracker? I do see flaws in all of these numbers though. It doesn't account for the cases that occurred but not reported, so its not really 4% death rate we are seeing in the country. But it goes for regular influenza as well. Those numbers are flawed too. I think I've had the flu 20 times in my life and only once did I ever have to go seek help. So my case wasn't reported. Not apple to apples comparisons here. Again, I'm not talking about kids only. I'm talking about kids exposing others in the family. And I'm intrigued with the argument about kids sneezing/coughing experience vs an adult. I took that into consideration and felt it was potentially valid. I'd like to talk to a medical professional I know and ask their opinion about that. Always assumed kids immune systems and lack of hygiene made them more susceptible to catching illnesses. I just don't know why Covid is any different. |
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Post by Bick on Jul 13, 2020 16:25:53 GMT -8
Those comparisons MDD used were fair in that he used preventable causes of death. You are correct, dying in a car wreck is not contagious...but it is preventable, and we're discussing preventing kids from dying.
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