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Post by SK80 on Jul 13, 2020 16:28:27 GMT -8
Dude seriously, walking by someone as well as surface to surface are two of the least ways in which yo would contract Covid.
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Post by kupprunneth on Jul 13, 2020 16:30:37 GMT -8
Dude seriously, walking by someone as well as surface to surface are two of the least ways in which yo would contract Covid. ok, what are greater ways to contract it? Coughing directly into someones mouth? How are people contracting it if it isn't through breathing the same air or touching the surface after someone else? Serious question. |
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Post by SK80 on Jul 13, 2020 16:53:19 GMT -8
The most likely way to catch this is REPEATED contact and INCUBATING situations. This virus moves through water droplets, microscopic, atmospheric. So yes direct face to face contact with a large viral load is most likely scenario. Passing by someone on your morning walk is almost NILL that the virus would find that avenue. If it became known that this virus is "airborne" we then are in another ball game. I think what we do know is we don't know. So anyone claiming to be a scientist isn't really one at all. Including myself. The coronavirus 'does not spread easily' from touching surfaces or objects, CDC says
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Post by kupprunneth on Jul 13, 2020 17:16:53 GMT -8
The funny thing is those who say it doesn't spread easily by touching a surface or object follows it up with "wash your hands often with soap and water and routinely clean and disinfect frequently touched surfaces."
As you said, "what we do know is we don't know" is as true of a statement as there could possibly be. With that said, I will continue to be overly cautious with this disease, right or wrong.
I respect everyone's opinion on this matter. I don't have to agree with it but I'll respect the opinions.
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Post by SK80 on Jul 13, 2020 17:51:02 GMT -8
I think if medical science respected each other’s opinions we would all be better off. Same goes for politicians. There is no hope for the media unfortunately.
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Post by ProfessorFate on Jul 13, 2020 17:54:08 GMT -8
Not one in Cali but there have been in other states, so just because Cali hasn't had a fatality doesn't mean it can't happen. We've already seen young people die from this disease across the country.
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Post by MDDad on Jul 13, 2020 18:18:14 GMT -8
all horrible comparisons. You can't die in a car accident by just walking by someone with covid, or touch a surface that was infected with covid. You're overreacting to the media hype. You won't die of COVID by walking by someone who has it, or by touching a surface either. In fact, it's almost impossible to even contract it that way. The latest evidence suggests that you have to be in very close physical proximity with someone who has the disease for at least 15 minutes to get infected. You only have to sit in a car for a few seconds to die in an accident. That's not true. The mortality rate among children and teenagers is much higher for influenza than for COVID, and it's that demographic we're discussing, right? Then by all means you should take the necessary measures so your kids don't infect you and your spouse. But please don't support the imposition of draconian restrictions on everyone else because you are overly frightened. Kupp, the problem is not your belief or mine. It's the fact that we've completely taken quarantine principles and turned them upside down. Quarantines work to prevent the spread of disease when you isolate and protect the sick and the "weak" (which in this case are the elderly and those with underlying conditions). Instead, we've quarantined the healthy at the expense of destroying the economy and ruining millions of lives. That is an insane approach to an enemy we've encountered and defeated many times before. |
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Post by kupprunneth on Jul 13, 2020 19:15:53 GMT -8
Again, its not about kids dying from this disease. Its about kids passing it on to elderly family members and infecting those, Thats a big concern of mine.
Family members are important, well at least for me. Like the argument that elderly are the ones that die from this disease more than the younger folks. Thats a problem for me. I have elderly family members that I care about.
I will always choose life over the economy, but I'm fortunate to be able to say that while many are not. I get that.
To me, insane is sending kids back into crowded class rooms. Thats bizarro world to me.
Again, I'm lucky enough to work from home through at least Dec but feel for those who have to go back to work but have kids who have distance learning. Tough decisions to make for those. Cant imagine being faced with that issue.
I have it very easy and I'm privileged. Perhaps its easier for me to take this stance.
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Post by Credo on Jul 13, 2020 20:03:39 GMT -8
Breaking news:
Anyone want to take bets on long it takes for idiot Gavin Newsom to "order" all K-12 schools in California to go online learning only? By, what, 10:00 A.M. tomorrow?
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Post by SK80 on Jul 14, 2020 6:29:16 GMT -8
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Post by Bick on Jul 14, 2020 7:24:57 GMT -8
Again, its not about kids dying from this disease. Its about kids passing it on to elderly family members and infecting those, Thats a big concern of mine. Family members are important, well at least for me. Like the argument that elderly are the ones that die from this disease more than the younger folks. Thats a problem for me. I have elderly family members that I care about. I will always choose life over the economy, but I'm fortunate to be able to say that while many are not. I get that. To me, insane is sending kids back into crowded class rooms. Thats bizarro world to me. Again, I'm lucky enough to work from home through at least Dec but feel for those who have to go back to work but have kids who have distance learning. Tough decisions to make for those. Cant imagine being faced with that issue. I have it very easy and I'm privileged. Perhaps its easier for me to take this stance. This whole discussion would be a lot easier if we were able to see what the different science communities were saying about it without partisan / media interference on either side. What's missing from this discussion, is what the panel of 6 MD's & 2 PhD's summarized from their findings that the board used as a basis of their vote. Then this could be about agreeing or disagreeing with those findings as opposed to the hyperbole of killing grandma. |
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Post by SK80 on Jul 15, 2020 4:40:53 GMT -8
Just sharing solid takes on students, schooling and young people. Schools have low coronavirus infection rate, German study finds
 Children in an elementary school class wear masks and sit as desks spaced apart as per coronavirus guidelines during summer school sessions at Happy Day School in Monterey Park, California on July 9.
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Published Tue, Jul 14 202010:33 AM EDTUpdated Wed, Jul 15 202012:39 AM EDT
A study of 2,000 children and teachers at a school in the German state of Saxony has found very few coronavirus antibodies among them,
suggesting that schools and young people do not play as big a role in transmission as previously feared. |
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Post by Credo on Jul 16, 2020 22:19:28 GMT -8
Almost all these masks are useless against COVID-19 but have a good chance of increasing your CO2 intake and helping to increase sickness. Other than that, they're great.
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Post by Credo on Jul 17, 2020 12:13:41 GMT -8
Based on Idiot Newsom's announced guidelines for California schools being able to open for in-person instruction, my reading of the requirements by county looks like schools in neither Los Angeles nor Orange County are currently eligible and would have to open with distance learning at this point. - Other restrictions for in-person instruction
- All staff and students (grades 3-12) must wear face coverings.
No timeline or criteria was given for lifting these regulations. In his wrap up he is essentially trying to blackmail everyone into wearing masks by saying, "if you want kids back at school (in-person) then do your part by wearing a mask to slow the spread, which will then allow your county to meet the threshold needed to return to on-campus instruction." Today's announcement: www.nbcbayarea.com/news/california/california-governor-to-outline-plans-for-reopening-schools/2327730/County Monitoring Table (looks like only counties with all check marks meet the threshold for being "off the watch list" and thus eligible for on-campus instruction) www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/CID/DCDC/Pages/COVID-19/COVID19CountyDataTable.aspx |
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Post by Credo on Jul 17, 2020 12:55:06 GMT -8
Servite just sent out a communication that the school is reviewing whether Newsom's requirements apply to private Catholic schools. I'm sure everyone in the Trinity League is looking at the same question.
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