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Post by SK80 on Jul 28, 2020 12:41:31 GMT -8
And when he beans the epidemiologist at the plate certainly there will be a Dr. from the panel that could suture the first stitch....! If the epidemiologist is anywhere near the plate, he's perfectly safe. Should the ball roll far enough and hit the batters foot would a podiatrist be in the house? Surely the Dems would have one near as they are always walking everything back....!
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Post by Luca on Jul 28, 2020 12:44:35 GMT -8
I don't understand this fascination with hydroxychloroquine. It's not a political issue, it's a medical issue. It should be handled like any medical issue. If there are well-designed and controlled studies (notice the "s") that show that the medication is effective, then it will become a recommended treatment. There is a well-established protocol for bringing treatment regimens to patients and it's worked pretty well.
Why the conspiracy like implications and suspicions? I remember the same confusion with Laetrile, "megadoses" of vitamin C, St. John's wort, etc. People want something to be true so they scrounge for evidence - however weak - that it is................................Luca
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Post by MDDad on Jul 28, 2020 13:48:19 GMT -8
The fascination is not so much with the drug itself, but rather that the mainstream media refuses to report any positive comments about its effectiveness, and social media has begun to censor any such comments.
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Post by SK80 on Jul 28, 2020 15:09:23 GMT -8
The fascination is not so much with the drug itself, but rather that the mainstream media refuses to report any positive comments about its effectiveness, and social media has begun to censor any such comments. And the moment Trump said he believes personally, just his belief that it could work or help or even aid in fighting the virus the media and Democrats have done everything to make sure that could never become a truth.....
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Post by Credo on Jul 28, 2020 17:16:35 GMT -8
The fascination is not so much with the drug itself, but rather that the mainstream media refuses to report any positive comments about its effectiveness, and social media has begun to censor any such comments. In a free society the reaction to speech you disagree with is more speech, in the attempt to persuade your audience of the superiority of your views. In the modern world it is only in communist and/or authoritarian regimes where speech that offends the powers that be is censored and suppressed. Sounds remarkably similar to the circumstances that prompted the birth of this site.The Left today happily endorses Big Brother (Big Tech) acting as their Thought Police. If HCQ is ineffective or even dangerous--as the Left would have us believe--then it should be easy to demonstrate this without the need to resort to censorship and social media account bans.
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Post by Luca on Jul 28, 2020 20:56:57 GMT -8
If HCQ is ineffective or even dangerous--as the Left would have us believe--then it should be easy to demonstrate this without the need to resort to censorship and social media account bans. But that’s not how it works, Credo. You have to demonstrate that a drug does work before you legitimize it. It’s not up to others to prove that it doesn’t work. Millions of people have been infected and the pandemic has been going on for some six months. If the medication is worthwhile, there has been sufficient time to prove it. There have been some large scale studies that don’t show benefit. Whether or not “the left” believes in it or not, it’s just a matter of proving satisfactorily that it works. I don’t give damn what ideologues think about it. Just prove it works and the polarization will die.............Luca
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Post by vilepagan on Jul 29, 2020 4:21:12 GMT -8
If HCQ is ineffective or even dangerous--as the Left would have us believe--then it should be easy to demonstrate this without the need to resort to censorship and social media account bans. But that’s not how it works, Credo. You have to demonstrate that a drug does work before you legitimize it. It’s not up to others to prove that it doesn’t work. Thank you. Not every argument has two sides that are equally valid. Just as an aside, what do you think of the latest "doctor" who's views are embraced by trump and his kids? Doctor in viral video retweeted by Trump believes US government run by 'reptilians'A Houston physician who praised hydroxychloroquine as a miracle coronavirus cure in a viral video retweeted by President Donald Trump blames gynecological problems on sex with evil spirits and believes the US government is run by "reptilians".
"Nobody needs to get sick. This virus has a cure -- it is called hydroxychloroquine," Immanuel exclaimed Monday as she stood on the steps of the Supreme Court in Washington at a so-called "White Coat Summit" of likeminded physicians.
Nonetheless the family doctor said all 350 patients she had treated with the medicine -- including those with serious pre-existing conditions -- had survived, and that hydroxychloroquine was so potent it made mask-wearing and lockdowns unnecessary.
The clip was shared by Trump and described as a "must watch" by his son Donald Trump Jr, but has since been deleted by Facebook, Twitter and YouTube for promoting misinformation.
Asked later by a reporter about his retweet, the president said: "I thought her voice was an important voice, but I know nothing about her."
The website for "America's Frontline Doctors" was registered just 11 days ago, a web domain age checker revealed -- and the site was taken down by Tuesday afternoon.
"Tea Party Patriots," a right-wing political group backed by wealthy Republicans, said on its website it was responsible for organizing the Washington summit.
Further research on Immanuel's web page, now accessible only via an archived website viewer, as well as her YouTube account, reveal a long list of bizarre and unscientific beliefs.
These include that "tormenting spirits" routinely have "astral sex" with women, which in turn causes "gynecological problems, marital distress, miscarriages" and more.
In a 2015 video, Immanuel, who leads a religious group called Fire Power Ministries, said: "There are people ruling this nation that are not even human," describing them as "reptilian spirits" who are "half human, half ET."
In the same video she rails against the use of "alien DNA" to treat sick people, which she said had resulted in human beings mixing with demons.
Other targets of her anger include gay marriage, which she said would result in adults marrying children.
Immanuel was born in 1965, received her medical degree at the University of Calabar in Nigeria, and has a valid physician's license, according to the website of the Texas Medical Board.
After Facebook took down the clip, Immanuel warned that the company's servers would start crashing until it was restored.
"If my page is not back up facebook will be down in Jesus name," she tweeted.www.france24.com/en/20200729-doctor-in-video-retweeted-by-trump-believes-us-government-is-run-by-reptiliansThis is the person our President said he thought was "an important voice"...let that sink in.
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Post by Luca on Jul 29, 2020 12:51:04 GMT -8
I saw that woman on a YouTube video just yesterday. She practices in Houston and is a primary care physician, not infectious disease or ICU. She stated how she was trained in central Africa and was very familiar with use of hydroxychloroquine for malaria and SLE and had treated "hundreds of COVID-19 infected patients" (which is little dubious if she isn't a hospital-based specialist. I've seen a total of three)
She started going on about the dramatic effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine and it was pretty clear that she was in way the hell over her head, so I stopped watching.
I hadn't heard about the evil spirit theory of disease but I am sorta interested in the "astral sex" concept - from a purely clinical perspective, of course.
Her novel theories are perhaps best characterized as "inadequately documented, requiring further research", as we say in the trade............................Luca
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Post by vilepagan on Jul 29, 2020 13:03:20 GMT -8
Well, I'm all for allowing people to have whatever beliefs they wish, but when you believe in witchcraft and demons causing disease I think perhaps that should disqualify you from holding a medical license in this country.
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Post by Luca on Jul 29, 2020 16:02:31 GMT -8
The video I saw was of this woman walking outside into what was apparently a press conference with a lot of physicians and hospital administrators standing behind her. She started out talking about her background and her claimed extensive experience with SARS Cov2 and the unrealistic results that she claims to have achieved.
I didn't watch the whole thing, but it would have been hysterical to see the reaction from all those physicians and directors had she gone into her witchcraft, "alien DNA" and evil spirits routine. Those big smiles would have been replaced by panic as they started glaring at each other with "Whose idea was this"?
"Hey, great job, Stella. Gettin' late, whatya say we wrap this thing up" as they hustle her away...............................Luca
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Post by Credo on Jul 29, 2020 20:09:11 GMT -8
If HCQ is ineffective or even dangerous--as the Left would have us believe--then it should be easy to demonstrate this without the need to resort to censorship and social media account bans. But that’s not how it works, Credo. You have to demonstrate that a drug does work before you legitimize it. It’s not up to others to prove that it doesn’t work. Millions of people have been infected and the pandemic has been going on for some six months. If the medication is worthwhile, there has been sufficient time to prove it. There have been some large scale studies that don’t show benefit. Whether or not “the left” believes in it or not, it’s just a matter of proving satisfactorily that it works. I don’t give damn what ideologues think about it. Just prove it works and the polarization will die.............Luca With all due respect, there are literally hundreds of doctors--who are least as well qualified as you--who have testified in print, media interviews, and social media on the effectiveness of HCQ in treating COVID. No one is claiming HCQ is an FDA-approved treatment for COVID, or that there have been multiple large-scale controlled studies to prove its effectiveness. Because this is a novel coronavirus much of the treatment seems to be a lot of guesswork, which is not surprising. Perhaps in due time such studies will bear out its effectiveness; perhaps not. In the midst of a pandemic with a novel virus, a large number of doctors treating COVID patients have apparently hit upon something that appears to work--and it seems to me we should look upon that with cautious optimism. Heck, no one has demonstrated through large scale randomized studies that mask-wearing, social distancing, and economic shutdowns are effective in combatting COVID, yet our politicians and public health "experts" have no problem recommending and even mandating such measures. Why are these same people hysterically opposed to doctors recommending HCQ as a treatment? (Hint: follow the money--or lack thereof) omnij.org/Gilead:_Twenty-one_billion_reasons_to_discredit_hydroxychloroquine_(ORIGINAL_ARTICLE)I think we're talking about apples and oranges here. What is at issue with HCQ is the freedom of doctors to prescribe what in their best professional judgment constitutes a good course of treatment for a potentially deadly virus. That's all. And there have been studies that show its effectiveness (that have been previously posted on this thread), as well as others that seem to show no benefit. What makes no sense is the demonization of HCQ by left-leaning politicians and media figures, and the effort by social media companies to censor anyone who speaks positively of its use--including doctors who have treated their own patients with HCQ. There are even some states (Ohio is the latest) that have banned pharmacists from filling HCQ prescriptions for COVID. This is insanity and could potentially lead to the unnecessary deaths of those who may have benefited from this treatment. You're right--HCQ is a medical issue and not a political one. However, it's being treated politically, under the guise of medical expertise. Since when do Facebook, Twitter, and Google have the medical expertise and authority to determine what is safe practice in treating COVID? But like everything else in 2020, it's all about Trump. Trump promoted it, therefore it must be deadly. End of story. You can make fun all you want of the lady from Nigeria, but there were at least a dozen other doctors at that press conference who spoke equally favorably about a drug that's been around for decades. Her clip was the only one left available on many social media platforms for precisely the reasons you highlighted--her eccentricities in other areas made for an effective tarring of HCQ through guilt by association. By that logic if Maxine Waters or Vilepagan recommended aspirin for a headache we should then laugh off their recommendation. You can do better than that. More info on HCQ: docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vTi-g18ftNZUMRAj2SwRPodtscFio7bJ7GdNgbJAGbdfF67WuRJB3ZsidgpidB2eocFHAVjIL-7deJ7/pub
medium.com/@filiperafaeli/hydroxychloroquine-the-narrative-that-doesnt-work-is-the-biggest-hoax-in-recent-human-history-2685487ad717
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Post by RSM789 on Jul 29, 2020 20:38:45 GMT -8
Well, I'm all for allowing people to have whatever beliefs they wish, but when you believe in witchcraft and demons causing disease I think perhaps that should disqualify you from holding a medical license in this country. No, you just want to take away her medical license because she is black. You are such a racist.
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Post by Credo on Jul 29, 2020 21:07:01 GMT -8
Well, I'm all for allowing people to have whatever beliefs they wish, but when you believe in witchcraft and demons causing disease I think perhaps that should disqualify you from holding a medical license in this country. Do you actually have an informed opinion on Hydroxychloroquine, or are you simply content to engage in selective character assassination? And considering your beliefs about the appropriate use of the male reproductive organ, you might want to sit out any discussion concerning medically safe practices. You are disqualified.
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Post by Credo on Jul 29, 2020 21:33:41 GMT -8
From the article by Dr. James Tadaro that I linked in one of the above posts:
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Post by vilepagan on Jul 30, 2020 2:40:39 GMT -8
Well, I'm all for allowing people to have whatever beliefs they wish, but when you believe in witchcraft and demons causing disease I think perhaps that should disqualify you from holding a medical license in this country. Do you actually have an informed opinion on Hydroxychloroquine, or are you simply content to engage in selective character assassination? And considering your beliefs about the appropriate use of the male reproductive organ, you might want to sit out any discussion concerning medically safe practices. You are disqualified. My opinion of the drug is that I accept the ruling of the CDC on such matters....I don't feel the need to get more information from the media or from idiots on Twitter to make a decision. Considering your beliefs about religion you might want to sit out any discussions on any subject that require rational thought.
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