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Post by davidsf on Sept 2, 2020 15:50:08 GMT -8
AG Barr cleans the floor with Wolf Blitzer on the topic of mail in voting.
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Post by davidsf on Apr 29, 2021 8:39:05 GMT -8
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Post by billb on Apr 29, 2021 12:05:22 GMT -8
IMO, we need to stop the election fraud first, and then concern ourselves with voter fraud.
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Post by davidsf on Apr 29, 2021 13:53:42 GMT -8
IMO, we need to stop the election fraud first, and then concern ourselves with voter fraud. In my stunted perspective, the two are the same issue. |
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Post by billb on Apr 30, 2021 22:51:31 GMT -8
Voter fraud will likely not change the outcome of the election. But election fraud will.
Voter fraud is when someone fills out a bunch of extra ballots. Election fraud could happen when they stop the count and change things internally. That could be done a lot of different ways. I was up real late on election night and they stopped counting in PA, GA and elsewhere. But we all saw the video of what happened in GA. Also, if you look at the charts in WI and MI, something fishy was happening after they stopped counting. We all woke up the next morning and Trump was losing. Who knows, maybe it was all a spectacular coincidence. But that should be investigated and the Democrats should stop trying to stop it. They never did a forensic audit in GA. All they did was a recount, and even that gave more votes to Trump.
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Post by davidsf on May 1, 2021 4:38:52 GMT -8
Voter fraud will likely not change the outcome of the election. But election fraud will. Voter fraud is when someone fills out a bunch of extra ballots. Election fraud could happen when they stop the count and change things internally. That could be done a lot of different ways. I was up real late on election night and they stopped counting in PA, GA and elsewhere. But we all saw the video of what happened in GA. Also, if you look at the charts in WI and MI, something fishy was happening after they stopped counting. We all woke up the next morning and Trump was losing. Who knows, maybe it was all a spectacular coincidence. But that should be investigated and the Democrats should stop trying to stop it. They never did a forensic audit in GA. All they did was a recount, and even that gave more votes to Trump. Rumors spreading that massive fraud (of all kinds) is being found in Maricopa County audit... raising the specter that some kind of audit will target MI, PA, and GA next... the difference you note between voter fraud and election fraud means the same thing to me... |
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Post by MDDad on May 1, 2021 6:22:11 GMT -8
Not to put too fine a point on it, but I agree with billb. Voter fraud is one type of election fraud, it is a subset. All voter fraud is election fraud, but not all election fraud is voter fraud. For example, telling observers to leave and continuing the "count", or papering over windows so what is being done cannot be seen, is election fraud, not voter fraud.
All dogs are mammals, but not all mammals are dogs.
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Post by billb on May 1, 2021 11:57:58 GMT -8
Voter fraud will likely not change the outcome of the election. But election fraud will. Voter fraud is when someone fills out a bunch of extra ballots. Election fraud could happen when they stop the count and change things internally. That could be done a lot of different ways. I was up real late on election night and they stopped counting in PA, GA and elsewhere. But we all saw the video of what happened in GA. Also, if you look at the charts in WI and MI, something fishy was happening after they stopped counting. We all woke up the next morning and Trump was losing. Who knows, maybe it was all a spectacular coincidence. But that should be investigated and the Democrats should stop trying to stop it. They never did a forensic audit in GA. All they did was a recount, and even that gave more votes to Trump. Rumors spreading that massive fraud (of all kinds) is being found in Maricopa County audit... raising the specter that some kind of audit will target MI, PA, and GA next... the difference you note between voter fraud and election fraud means the same thing to me... Election fraud is done by people counting the votes, while voter fraud is done by the voters. We watched Georgia election officials wait until every left the SF arena and then pull suit cases under the covered table and run those ballots through the machine over and over again. That was very suspicious and the explanations don't add up to me. That was Atlanta, one of the five cities they needed. There are other irregulates by election officials in Philadelphia, Wayne County, and WI. The questions arise in Democrat controlled cities, big cities, where they could bump up the votes. If the AZ audit shows a huge discrepancy, what I say is likely right. If it was close, but Trump won, well, maybe there wasn't election fraud. But IMO Dave, there is a big difference between election and voter fraud. |
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Post by davidsf on May 1, 2021 12:11:30 GMT -8
Rumors spreading that massive fraud (of all kinds) is being found in Maricopa County audit... raising the specter that some kind of audit will target MI, PA, and GA next... the difference you note between voter fraud and election fraud means the same thing to me... Election fraud is done by people counting the votes, while voter fraud is done by the voters. We watched Georgia election officials wait until every left the SF arena and then pull suit cases under the covered table and run those ballots through the machine over and over again. That was very suspicious and the explanations don't add up to me. That was Atlanta, one of the five cities they needed. There are other irregulates by election officials in Philadelphia, Wayne County, and WI. The questions arise in Democrat controlled cities, big cities, where they could bump up the votes. If the AZ audit shows a huge discrepancy, what I say is likely right. If it was close, but Trump won, well, maybe there wasn't election fraud. But IMO Dave, there is a big difference between election and voter fraud. I understand your definitions, and I accept MDDad's explanation of Voter fraud being a subset of election fraud... |
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Post by vilepagan on May 2, 2021 2:18:02 GMT -8
We watched Georgia election officials wait until every left the SF arena and then pull suit cases under the covered table and run those ballots through the machine over and over again. No we didn't, and no you didn't either. That's just a stupid lie. BTW, "suitcases" is just one word. |
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Post by vilepagan on May 2, 2021 2:25:33 GMT -8
Rumors spreading that massive fraud (of all kinds) is being found in Maricopa County audit... ROFL. Rumors? Seriously? Perhaps you should get your news from a trusted source...like The Onion[/]. |
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Post by billb on May 2, 2021 20:31:37 GMT -8
Vile Pagen, if the Arizona election was way off, then I would like to see what happened in GA. As far as I am concerned, they could just audit the votes they ran through those machines that night on video. But if there was no election fraud in AZ, forget GA and the other states. Those are my thoughts on the subject.
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Post by davidsf on May 15, 2021 14:40:32 GMT -8
Since the democraps can't stop the Maricopa County audit, my guess is, their Plan B will be to either confuse or discredit the results.
Of course, they'll poo-poo the results if fraud is discovered... butblook forth to launch their own "independent" investigation to fuzzy the results.
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Post by vilepagan on May 16, 2021 3:25:07 GMT -8
Since the democraps can't stop the Maricopa County audit, my guess is, their Plan B will be to either confuse or discredit the results. Of course, they'll poo-poo the results if fraud is discovered... butblook forth to launch their own "independent" investigation to fuzzy the results. 1. The democrats aren't the ones doing the confusing and discrediting, that would be you...these votes have been counted and recounted twice, and the result was the same...trump lost. It will be the same this time as well. 2. Yes, if fraud is "discovered" by the Cyber Ninjas or whoever you guys hired to find fraud we will pooh-pooh the results of your silly "investigation" just as we do when the former president lies yet again like he did last night when he made the false claim that the entire voter database from AZ was deleted. Of course it was not, and the Maricopa County Recorder ( a Republican) was quick to point out how unhinged the former president has become over this issue. |
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Post by davidsf on May 16, 2021 5:30:41 GMT -8
Since the democraps can't stop the Maricopa County audit, my guess is, their Plan B will be to either confuse or discredit the results. Of course, they'll poo-poo the results if fraud is discovered... butblook forth to launch their own "independent" investigation to fuzzy the results. 1. The democrats aren't the ones doing the confusing and discrediting, that would be you...these votes have been counted and recounted twice, and the result was the same...trump lost. It will be the same this time as well. 2. Yes, if fraud is "discovered" by the Cyber Ninjas or whoever you guys hired to find fraud we will pooh-pooh the results of your silly "investigation" just as we do when the former president lies yet again like he did last night when he made the false claim that the entire voter database from AZ was deleted. Of course it was not, and the Maricopa County Recorder ( a Republican) was quick to point out how unhinged the former president has become over this issue. - I don't understand how I am confusing and discrediting. I'm sure I state it when it is only my belief, and you already know, I cop to it when my projection is wrong. How does that confuse anyone?
- If you're trying to get me to defund Trump, you will fail. I've said many times, I don't like the man, and especially do not like his public comments. I DO, however, appreciate what he did.. accomplished... as president despite all the vitriol and obstruction of the failed leftists.
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