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Post by RSM789 on May 23, 2020 19:41:21 GMT -8
i would like to see the evidence you have that Trump’s handling of the alleged pandemic has been incompetent. please lay your hatred of the President aside for a moment and provide some actual facts that support your opinion. After dismissing prescient advice on pandemic preparedness from the Obama administration, tRump and his gang of Dr. Googles and rank amateurs went on to weaken the nation’s pandemic response capabilities. For example, they eliminated the White House global health-security office --created during the Ebola scare -- to foster pandemic preparedness, ended a global early-warning program, PREDICT, that identified viruses with pandemic potential. Cuts were made to critical CDC programs that were consistent with tRump's nonchalant rejection of evidence-based and medically sound public-health policy, too. After the US confirmed its first case of COVID-19 on January 22, of this year, tRump responded with false reassurances, delayed federal action and continued to poo-poo the advice and alarms of epidemiologists, public health experts and medical scientists which accurately predicted how dangerous the virus was. The creeper, on the other hand, shrugged his shoulders until he couldn't hide that the experts were spot-on right and he and his loony chums were wrong. But even then, tRumps "I'm-not-a doctor-I-just-play-one-on-TV" anti-scientific pronouncements were and are the centerpieces of his COVID-19 "briefings". February 28th, he imperiously announced that the coronavirus would disappear on its own “...like a miracle”. On the day real epidemiologists and doctors at the CDC advised the public to wear face masks, tRump harrumphed he would not wear one himself. April 23rd, tRump advised (a clearly incredulous medical expert) that injecting disinfectant and bringing “light inside the body”were things she should look into implying they would "cure" COVID-19. So yep, the creeper's response to a virus that has infected 1,645,094 and killed 97,647 Americans, was not up to the task. Indeed, it was a colossal cluster-fuck. That is some fine fiction you have created there. Eliminating the White House global security office was reducing government redundancy, for nothing was being done in that office that wasn't already being done by the CDC. PREDICT had been criticized as being an ineffective program and would have had zero affect on the current pandemic because the virus outbreak was not a natural occurring thing, it was inadvertently released from a lab. According to the CDC, the rumor that the Trump administration made cuts to their program was false (https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/false-claim-about-cdcs-global-anti-pandemic-work/). I could continue, but it is obvious that you are just taking half truths, innuendo & outright lies and trying to use them to advance a political ideology. The fact that you so badly want our President to fail that you have to smear him with lies so easily dismissed appear to show a mental issue. Tuba, you need to take a breath, look in the mirror and just accept that trying to create conspiracy theories to make Donald Trump look bad is not healthy for you. Trump was not perfect in his response to Covid19, for he had to rely on medical experts who had been given bad information from the get go. Nonetheless, the action he took and the response to what the governors asked from the Feds was very good, as good as any president has done in any other unprecedented health scare. To pretend otherwise is a failure to see reality. |
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Post by vilepagan on May 24, 2020 3:13:58 GMT -8
Well, I'd say you created some fine fiction too but yours is just stupid.
You know this how? You provide no evidence for your claim.
Really? It was released from a lab?
Indeed...and you? You don't even have half-truths, just shit you made up.
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Post by davidsf on May 24, 2020 7:05:09 GMT -8
i would like to see the evidence you have that Trump’s handling of the alleged pandemic has been incompetent. please lay your hatred of the President aside for a moment and provide some actual facts that support your opinion. After dismissing prescient advice on pandemic preparedness from the Obama administration, tRump and his gang of Dr. Googles and rank amateurs went on to weaken the nation’s pandemic response capabilities. For example, they eliminated the White House global health-security office --created during the Ebola scare -- to foster pandemic preparedness, ended a global early-warning program, PREDICT, that identified viruses with pandemic potential. Cuts were made to critical CDC programs that were consistent with tRump's nonchalant rejection of evidence-based and medically sound public-health policy, too. After the US confirmed its first case of COVID-19 on January 22, of this year, tRump responded with false reassurances, delayed federal action and continued to poo-poo the advice and alarms of epidemiologists, public health experts and medical scientists which accurately predicted how dangerous the virus was. The creeper, on the other hand, shrugged his shoulders until he couldn't hide that the experts were spot-on right and he and his loony chums were wrong. But even then, tRumps "I'm-not-a doctor-I-just-play-one-on-TV" anti-scientific pronouncements were and are the centerpieces of his COVID-19 "briefings". February 28th, he imperiously announced that the coronavirus would disappear on its own “...like a miracle”. On the day real epidemiologists and doctors at the CDC advised the public to wear face masks, tRump harrumphed he would not wear one himself. April 23rd, tRump advised (a clearly incredulous medical expert) that injecting disinfectant and bringing “light inside the body”were things she should look into implying they would "cure" COVID-19. So yep, the creeper's response to a virus that has infected 1,645,094 and killed 97,647 Americans, was not up to the task. Indeed, it was a colossal cluster-fuck. OK, maybe I wasn’t clear: My bad, I’ll own that one. what I meant by “I would like to see the evidence you have...” is, uhm, I want to see the... you know... evidence you have. your opinion, reciting headlines, regurgitating pseudo-facts from the leader drones of the Hate Party, all well and good, but not really evidence. do I have to run through what constitutes evidence or do you think you have it now? (just a hint, stating “everybody knows” or “it is proven...” is not evidence, FYI). |
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Post by tubaornottuba on May 24, 2020 7:48:00 GMT -8
After dismissing prescient advice on pandemic preparedness from the Obama administration, tRump and his gang of Dr. Googles and rank amateurs went on to weaken the nation’s pandemic response capabilities. For example, they eliminated the White House global health-security office --created during the Ebola scare -- to foster pandemic preparedness, ended a global early-warning program, PREDICT, that identified viruses with pandemic potential. Cuts were made to critical CDC programs that were consistent with tRump's nonchalant rejection of evidence-based and medically sound public-health policy, too. After the US confirmed its first case of COVID-19 on January 22, of this year, tRump responded with false reassurances, delayed federal action and continued to poo-poo the advice and alarms of epidemiologists, public health experts and medical scientists which accurately predicted how dangerous the virus was. The creeper, on the other hand, shrugged his shoulders until he couldn't hide that the experts were spot-on right and he and his loony chums were wrong. But even then, tRumps "I'm-not-a doctor-I-just-play-one-on-TV" anti-scientific pronouncements were and are the centerpieces of his COVID-19 "briefings". February 28th, he imperiously announced that the coronavirus would disappear on its own “...like a miracle”. On the day real epidemiologists and doctors at the CDC advised the public to wear face masks, tRump harrumphed he would not wear one himself. April 23rd, tRump advised (a clearly incredulous medical expert) that injecting disinfectant and bringing “light inside the body”were things she should look into implying they would "cure" COVID-19. So yep, the creeper's response to a virus that has infected 1,645,094 and killed 97,647 Americans, was not up to the task. Indeed, it was a colossal cluster-fuck.
That is some fine fiction you have created there. Tuba:We have video. We have effing video of the creeper yawping bullshit trumpisms,.Video! rsm:Eliminating the White House global security office was reducing government redundancy, for nothing was being done in that office that wasn't already being done by the CDC.
Tuba:Nice spin. Nonetheless the office was closed down. When tRump eliminated it, sure enough there wasn't a threat for it to address. So? Would we close down the military even if there weren't some Muslims to bomb the shit out of? rsm:PREDICT had been criticized as being an ineffective program and would have had zero affect on the current pandemic because the virus outbreak was not a natural occurring thing, it was inadvertently released from a lab. Tuba:"Criticized" by whom? Radio shock-jocks? Fux News? Dr. Google? rsm
According to the CDC, the rumor that the Trump administration made cuts to their program was false (https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/false-claim-about-cdcs-global-anti-pandemic-work/). Tuba:Well golly, the creeper couldn't reduce the funds, thanks to Congress. Good on Congress. rsm:I could continue, but it is obvious that you are just taking half truths, innuendo & outright lies and trying to use them to advance a political ideology. The fact that you so badly want our President to fail that you have to smear him with lies so easily dismissed appear to show a mental issue. Tuba, you need to take a breath, look in the mirror and just accept that trying to create conspiracy theories to make Donald Trump look bad is not healthy for you. Tuba:Back at ya' Sparky. Back at ya'. rsm:Trump was not perfect in his response to Covid19, for he had to rely on medical experts who had been given bad information from the get go. Tuba:As new data was available the experts revised their conclusions. That's how real science works, eh Sparky? tRump, on the other hand, shrugged his shoulders and yawped tRumbish hoogabooga, new data notwithstanding. . rsm:Nonetheless, the action he took and the response to what the governors asked from the Feds was very good, as good as any president has done in any other unprecedented health scare. To pretend otherwise is a failure to see reality. Tuba:Pfffft. tRump bickered with governors instead of mounting a coordinated federal response. The silliness he huffed and puffed about Governor Whitmer is a perfect example. |
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Post by RSM789 on May 24, 2020 11:01:02 GMT -8
Really? It was released from a lab? Yes really. Did you not know that? Maybe you should recuse yourself from this discussion until you remedy your ignorance. |
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Post by RSM789 on May 24, 2020 11:18:19 GMT -8
Tuba:Pfffft. tRump bickered with governors instead of mounting a coordinated federal response. The silliness he huffed and puffed about Governor Whitmer is a perfect example. This response is a wonderful summary illustrating that you having no idea of what you are talking about. Trump did mount a co-ordinated federal response, as an associate to the governors. The federal government is limited in what they can do, for despite your wishes, the president is not King. The governors time and again asked the federal government for assistance, got it when they needed and then complimented the president and the Feds for the help. Your rant against Trump not overriding the governors power is amazing considering the disdain you have for him. If he was as terrible as you claim, why in Gods name would you ever want him running roughshod over the States & the Constitution? He follows the framework laid out for our government and you complain. You have completely lost any credibility you ever had. From now on, any points or evidence you post will need to be backed up by sources to even be considered relevant. You have thrown away any trust given you to have a discussion without outright lying and making up accusations. |
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Post by tubaornottuba on May 25, 2020 6:24:44 GMT -8
rm:This response is a wonderful summary illustrating that you having no idea of what you are talking about. Trump did mount a co-ordinated federal response, as an associate to the governors. The federal government is limited in what they can do, for despite your wishes, the president is not King. The governors time and again asked the federal government for assistance, got it when they needed and then complimented the president and the Feds for the help. Tuba:He wandered between "I have all the power" and "It's up to the governors". Many -- not all sure enough --of the latter were acting decisively while the creeper was trying to figure out how to make himself look blameless. rm:Your rant against Trump not overriding the governors power is amazing considering the disdain you have for him. If he was as terrible as you claim, why in Gods name would you ever want him running roughshod over the States & the Constitution? He follows the framework laid out for our government and you complain. Tuba:Huh? I made no claim to "want him running roughshod over the states and the Constitution". That's your straw man. In any case, without being imperious the creeper has at his disposal many powerful resources that lawfully can engage the federal government in assisting the states and coordinating a national effort. He didn't. rm:You have completely lost any credibility you ever had. From now on, any points or evidence you post will need to be backed up by sources to even be considered relevant. You have thrown away any trust given you to have a discussion without outright lying and making up accusations. Tuba:Back at ya', Sport. Back at ya'. |
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Post by RSM789 on May 25, 2020 11:29:06 GMT -8
rm:You have completely lost any credibility you ever had. From now on, any points or evidence you post will need to be backed up by sources to even be considered relevant. You have thrown away any trust given you to have a discussion without outright lying and making up accusations. Tuba:Back at ya', Sport. Back at ya'. Sweetie, coming from you, that is the equivalent of a double negative. |
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Post by tubaornottuba on May 25, 2020 13:26:43 GMT -8
Sweetie, coming from you, that is the equivalent of a double negative. Pretty lame, dumpling. But you digress, eh? Tuba:The creeper has not lead competently. The country required a careful and decisive leader. Instead we have a buffoon who huffs and puffs copious hooga-booga, is dismissive of real experts, hisses calumnies and/or threats at anyone who won't agree with him and stroke his lard-butt ego or asks an uncomfortable question and who obsessively boasts that he has come to our rescue. He's an asshole in the creepiest and most profoundly moronic ways possible. |
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Post by RSM789 on May 25, 2020 14:52:05 GMT -8
Tuba:... a buffoon who huffs and puffs copious hooga-booga...an asshole in the creepiest and most profoundly moronic ways possible. That is a very apt description of yourself in this thread. Is that only fitting when you talk about Trump or are you like that all the time? |
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Post by tubaornottuba on May 25, 2020 19:09:50 GMT -8
Tuba:... a buffoon who huffs and puffs copious hooga-booga...an asshole in the creepiest and most profoundly moronic ways possible. That is a very apt description of yourself in this thread. Is that only fitting when you talk about Trump or are you like that all the time? Gas-lighting me doesn't make the creeper any less a monumental asshole and a colossally self-absorbed moron; he's an asshole all by his own self. It is profoundly troubling there are American citizens who hold in high esteem an intellectual light-weight, business and tax cheat, bankruptcy virtuoso and draft-dodger with the temperament of a vindictive fifth-grade bully, a personality less engaging than a sea-slug and the sexual appetites of an old-geezer copping feels on the A-Train. Puzzles me how anyone with integrity can stomach tRump. SMH. |
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Post by davidsf on May 25, 2020 19:59:37 GMT -8
<enjoying the resurgence of the ever popular “I know you are but what am I?” Rejoinder>
Thank you tubby tuba!
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Post by Credo on May 25, 2020 22:02:44 GMT -8
Responses like those from Tuba indicate Stage 4 TDS. Utter nonsense. Quarantine and social distancing required.
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Post by RSM789 on May 25, 2020 23:20:15 GMT -8
That is a very apt description of yourself in this thread. Is that only fitting when you talk about Trump or are you like that all the time? Gas-lighting me doesn't make the creeper any less a monumental asshole and a colossally self-absorbed moron; he's an asshole all by his own self. It is profoundly troubling there are American citizens who hold in high esteem an intellectual light-weight, business and tax cheat, bankruptcy virtuoso and draft-dodger with the temperament of a vindictive fifth-grade bully, a personality less engaging than a sea-slug and the sexual appetites of an old-geezer copping feels on the A-Train... Yet he still beat Hilary Clinton in the 2016 and is a more effective & better president than Barack Obama. All of your political heroes must be truly terrible when they can't measure up to someone you describe in such a derogatory fashion. I'm sure Biden will do just fine come November, heck by your description, winning anything other than 45 states should be a disappointment for Sleepy Joe. |
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Post by SK80 on May 26, 2020 5:52:41 GMT -8
rs:Gas-lighting me doesn't make the creeper any less a monumental asshole and a colossally self-absorbed moron; he's an asshole all by his own self. It is profoundly troubling there are American citizens who hold in high esteem an intellectual light-weight, business and tax cheat, bankruptcy virtuoso and draft-dodger with the temperament of a vindictive fifth-grade bully, a personality less engaging than a sea-slug and the sexual appetites of an old-geezer copping feels on the A-Train... Yet he still beat Hilary Clinton in the 2016 and is a more effective & better president than Barack Obama. All of your political heroes must be truly terrible when they can't measure up to someone you describe in such a derogatory fashion. I'm sure Biden will do just fine come November, heck by your description, winning anything other than 45 states should be a disappointment for Sleepy Joe. Tuba, an instrument for a blowhard, attempts to tag Trump as creeper yet its CREEPY BIDEN he is apparently cool with... or is he? |
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