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Post by Bick on Jun 25, 2020 8:29:43 GMT -8
As the most diverse nation on earth, with all human trait, I feel and have experienced more gain and acceptance of others until more recent events took place, pandemic and Floyd/BLM/Riots have set us back decades in trust. Without trust we have no chance of better relations. Now that's it clear that cries of "racism" are really just a political ploy of the left, your lack of trust in the movement is well supported. |
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Post by RSM789 on Jun 25, 2020 9:04:27 GMT -8
...but not when you provide no sources for your opinions... This is a forum for discussion, not a debate or a court of law. Providing sources for each and every opinion one has is not part of the process in a forum like this. Sure, if one has a contradictory post, he may want to enhance his argument with a reference to a source, but for the most part, we know what the expertise of others on this forum is. If Luca gives his opinion on something in the medical field, we accept it based on his background. If Frog corrects me about how the legal system operates, it is his credentials that are the source. If you tell me something about the city of Philadelphia, it is silly for me to demand a source for your post when it is common knowledge that you live there and know the place much better than I. Our familiarity with each other negates the need for constant sourcing of opinions. |
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Post by RSM789 on Jun 25, 2020 9:11:50 GMT -8
How is it that victims of racism only are on the left? The people inside the "big tent" of the Republican party are mostly white. That response assumes a white person can not be a victim of racism, an assumption which in & of itself is bigoted. Further, Bick was talking about "left" versus "right", not Democrat vs Republican. There are many people with left leaning views who are not Democrats and many people with right leaning views who are not Republican. The question was why are victims of racism only people who have a left leaning ideology. |
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Post by Bick on Jun 25, 2020 9:16:52 GMT -8
...but not when you provide no sources for your opinions... This is a forum for discussion, not a debate or a court of law. Providing sources for each and every opinion one has is not part of the process in a forum like this. Sure, if one has a contradictory post, he may want to enhance his argument with a reference to a source, but for the most part, we know what the expertise of others on this forum is. If Luca gives his opinion on something in the medical field, we accept it based on his background. If Frog corrects me about how the legal system operates, it is his credentials that are the source. If you tell me something about the city of Philadelphia, it is silly for me to demand a source for your post when it is common knowledge that you live there and know the place much better than I. Our familiarity with each other negates the need for constant sourcing of opinions. FWIW, I LOVE the sourcing of opinions, like the ones that MDD had on Robert E. Lee. It provides me with a new perspective, and a source from which I can develop my own opinions. But to your point, we all have a certain level of expertise that should be given a reasonable amount of deference without having to "prove" every comment. |
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Post by Bick on Jun 25, 2020 9:21:40 GMT -8
The people inside the "big tent" of the Republican party are mostly white. That response assumes a white person can not be a victim of racism, an assumption which in & of itself is bigoted. Further, Bick was talking about "left" versus "right", not Democrat vs Republican. There are many people with left leaning views who are not Democrats and many people with right leaning views who are not Republican. The question was why are victims of racism only people who have a left leaning ideology. Maybe a better question is why there seems to be an never ending supply of victims on the left, and an increasing number of reasons to be victimized by. Naturally, the perpetrators are always on the right. Isn't that even a LITTLE bit odd? |
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Post by MDDad on Jun 25, 2020 9:24:43 GMT -8
So do you..sometimes...but not when you provide no sources for your opinions. I'm sure you do know a lot about the Civil War but until you provide credible sources for your opinions you're just blathering pointlessly. I provided sources for my opinions, I don't just pontificate and expect people to accept my expertise. Give it a try. You won't look so desperate, or so foolish. Oh, and the insults just make your argument look weaker. Carry on. VP, I was a pretty serious student of Lee from the time I started high school until I was about 30. Those are my credentials and citations. If you want to debate him with me on an intellectually level playing field, you might start with reading Douglas Southall Freeman's R.E. Lee - A Biography. It's about 3,000 pages in four volumes, contains much of Lee's personal correspondence and records, and I read it as a high school sophomore or junior. If that task is too daunting, try Freeman's Readers' Digest version entitled simply Lee. It's only about 700 pages. The Lee biography by Emory Thomas is also pretty good, as is Call To Duty by Steven Wilkins. Or you might travel to Lexington VA and read his personal papers at Washington and Lee University, which I had the opportunity to do in the late 1970's (assuming they haven't been toppled and destroyed in this current period of Marxist insanity).. Then let's talk. Look, VP, I have no interest in changing your mind. You've demonstrated since you arrived on OCConnect ten years ago that you are such a staunch ideologue that you will never entertain any thoughts or realities that might contradict your rigid ideals. When it comes to Lee, I know what I know, and you believe what fits your worldview and what you can quickly google. I really feel kind of sorry for you. |
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Post by davidsf on Jun 25, 2020 10:50:56 GMT -8
...but not when you provide no sources for your opinions... A finer example of hypocrisy than that statement right there, you’ll seldom see |
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Post by vilepagan on Jun 25, 2020 13:09:53 GMT -8
So do you..sometimes...but not when you provide no sources for your opinions. I'm sure you do know a lot about the Civil War but until you provide credible sources for your opinions you're just blathering pointlessly. I provided sources for my opinions, I don't just pontificate and expect people to accept my expertise. Give it a try. You won't look so desperate, or so foolish. Oh, and the insults just make your argument look weaker. Carry on. VP, I was a pretty serious student of Lee from the time I started high school until I was about 30. Those are my credentials and citations. Look, VP, I have no interest in changing your mind. You've demonstrated since you arrived on OCConnect ten years ago that you are such a staunch ideologue that you will never entertain any thoughts or realities that might contradict your rigid ideals. When it comes to Lee, I know what I know, and you believe what fits your worldview and what you can quickly google. I really feel kind of sorry for you. I understand you're only interested in being condescending and insulting. Your alleged credentials are great but your citations are useless in this context. Understand you're not disagreeing with me you're disagreeing with the sources I cited. Do let me know if you find any sources that agree with you that you can share here. Until then I'll stick with sources that to my mind are a bit more credible than none at all. |
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Post by davidsf on Jun 25, 2020 13:38:02 GMT -8
This is a forum for discussion, not a debate or a court of law. Providing sources for each and every opinion one has is not part of the process in a forum like this. Sure, if one has a contradictory post, he may want to enhance his argument with a reference to a source, but for the most part, we know what the expertise of others on this forum is. If Luca gives his opinion on something in the medical field, we accept it based on his background. If Frog corrects me about how the legal system operates, it is his credentials that are the source. If you tell me something about the city of Philadelphia, it is silly for me to demand a source for your post when it is common knowledge that you live there and know the place much better than I. Our familiarity with each other negates the need for constant sourcing of opinions. FWIW, I LOVE the sourcing of opinions, like the ones that MDD had on Robert E. Lee. It provides me with a new perspective, and a source from which I can develop my own opinions. But to your point, we all have a certain level of expertise that should be given a reasonable amount of deference without having to "prove" every comment. That has been the ardent left’s modus operandi for years. Every one of ‘em over at OCC specialized in insisting on scientific or legal evidence every time they had no intelligent response. Fordama and Bird-Brain Paul were especially adept at it and, now, it is good to know their representative here has the same habit. |
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Post by RSM789 on Jun 25, 2020 15:46:33 GMT -8
VP, I was a pretty serious student of Lee from the time I started high school until I was about 30. Those are my credentials and citations. I understand you're only interested in being condescending and insulting. Your alleged credentials are great but your citations are useless in this context. So you tell a person they are being condescending & insulting by being condescending & insulting. Smooth move. Following your logic, I could present sources that declare all gay men are pedophiles and ignore your response that such declaration is untrue because your "credentials" are useless. Choosing to believe an article or notion written by someone you have no knowledge of and no prior interaction with over someone you have interacted with online for a decade is just silly. You are just exhibiting confirmation bias, where you want to find information that backs up your unfounded belief even if it means dismissing experts with whom you have a prior relationship and can validate their integrity on a subject. You don't even have to like a person to understand they may be an expert on a subject. You & I are far from being friendly towards each other, but it would be foolish for me to not believe you when you say you knew you were gay at a young age and that that is the case for for other gay men as well. I can find internet articles at the snap of a finger that can dispute that claim, but what would be the purpose? There is no reason for me to not believe you other than wanting to cling on to some previous false beliefs. Hell dude, if you don't believe anything we say here, why are you even wasting your time being here? I think you are a jerk, but for Chrissake, no need to be a foolish jerk. |
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Post by ProfessorFate on Jun 25, 2020 18:27:39 GMT -8
VP, I was a pretty serious student of Lee from the time I started high school until I was about 30. Those are my credentials and citations. I understand you're only interested in being condescending and insulting. Uh-oh, MDDad. I believe he's got you there. You know history, and Luca knows medicine, but if anybody knows snark and condescension, it's Vile Pagan hands down. |
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Post by Credo on Jul 16, 2020 22:30:30 GMT -8
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Post by davidsf on Jul 17, 2020 12:08:02 GMT -8
...but not when you provide no sources for your opinions... This is a forum for discussion, not a debate or a court of law. Providing sources for each and every opinion one has is not part of the process in a forum like this. Sure, if one has a contradictory post, he may want to enhance his argument with a reference to a source, but for the most part, we know what the expertise of others on this forum is. If Luca gives his opinion on something in the medical field, we accept it based on his background. If Frog corrects me about how the legal system operates, it is his credentials that are the source. If you tell me something about the city of Philadelphia, it is silly for me to demand a source for your post when it is common knowledge that you live there and know the place much better than I. Our familiarity with each other negates the need for constant sourcing of opinions. The leftist, generally speaking, only insists on a source for an opinion when it conflicts with his own...unsourced opinion. as you said, opinions aren’t facts so don’t have strict sources, per se. We can also argue facts here, and those, of course, DO have sources. you bring up medical (and, by extension, other) professionals who might hold off forming an opinion until they check a source such as a PDR or, if looking up something about vile boy, a DSM-5 etc, but that is in a professional setting and doesn’t involve the intersection of opposing opinions. |
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Post by Bick on Jul 18, 2020 13:20:05 GMT -8
Definitely not PC or for kids - it's Chris Rock after all. But it's pretty funny. Too bad BLM folks didn't take the advice to heart.
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Post by Credo on Jul 22, 2020 20:53:19 GMT -8
Planned Parenthood of Greater New York announced that it will eliminate the name of Margaret Sanger, the organization's founder, from its Manhattan Health Center because of her connections with eugenics. Karen Seltzer of PPGNY said: "The removal of Margaret Sanger’s name from our building is both a necessary and overdue step to reckon with our legacy and acknowledge Planned Parenthood’s contributions to historical reproductive harm within communities of color."
TRANSLATION: Planned Parenthood was begun with the goal of reducing the number of black people in the United States.
And they have been--and continue to be--spectacularly successful in this regard. I'm not sure if I should be giving PP much credit here. More likely the anti-racist zeitgeist was too much for them to continue to deny what should have been condemned decades ago.
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