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Post by davidsf on May 13, 2020 20:23:47 GMT -8
Just a reminder that Christianity outlasted the Roman Empire--and will outlast every other one as well. If you read the end of The Book, you already know the outcome which is, even now, unfolding before us. Yes, Christianity prevails. |
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Post by Credo on May 18, 2020 16:45:16 GMT -8
100th anniversary of the birth one of the greatest figures of the 20th century.
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Post by Credo on May 18, 2020 16:54:44 GMT -8
And life is absurd. You and everyone meaningful in your life eventually dies and in the end it all signifies......nothing.
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Post by davidsf on May 18, 2020 20:20:09 GMT -8
And life is absurd. You and everyone meaningful in your life eventually dies and in the end it all signifies......nothing. Well stated, but it means nothing, anyway, to those given to selfish, self idolatry. There is no one without an innate knowledge of the existence of God. But there are many who let the things of this earth dim, or overshadow that knowledge. Those are the ones who don’t think about death, or what comes after: It is almost their ignorance that prompts them to respond, “there’s nothing.” |
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Post by Credo on May 19, 2020 20:40:12 GMT -8
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Post by davidsf on May 20, 2020 8:17:34 GMT -8
If you are interested, our church is currently engaged in a series entitled WHAT ABOUT GOD?
our Pastor is talking about the “nones” who have walked away from Christianity and now have no regard for the Bible, the church, or anything “religious.” He approaches it from the standpoint of how the nones view us, the Bible, the church, and anything “religious.” he makes a lot of good points, but some in our congregation have taken him to task as not believing in Scripture but placing “Google” higher in reliability so you do have to pay attention to why he mentions those things. Each message is roughly 40 minutes and there are 4 of them so far (#5 will be on Sunday morning, but the also be placed on our channel) if you are interested. |
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Post by reachmole on May 20, 2020 9:29:39 GMT -8
If you are interested, our church is currently engaged in a series entitled WHAT ABOUT GOD?
our Pastor is talking about the “nones” who have walked away from Christianity and now have no regard for the Bible, the church, or anything “religious.” He approaches it from the standpoint of how the nones view us, the Bible, the church, and anything “religious.” he makes a lot of good points, but some in our congregation have taken him to task as not believing in Scripture but placing “Google” higher in reliability so you do have to pay attention to why he mentions those things. Each message is roughly 40 minutes and there are 4 of them so far (#5 will be on Sunday morning, but the also be placed on our channel) if you are interested. Checking it out now. Question, is E-Free the same as EV-Free (that's what we always called Evangelical Free churches) or is it something else? Sorry for my ignorance. |
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Post by davidsf on May 20, 2020 10:33:51 GMT -8
If you are interested, our church is currently engaged in a series entitled WHAT ABOUT GOD?
our Pastor is talking about the “nones” who have walked away from Christianity and now have no regard for the Bible, the church, or anything “religious.” He approaches it from the standpoint of how the nones view us, the Bible, the church, and anything “religious.” he makes a lot of good points, but some in our congregation have taken him to task as not believing in Scripture but placing “Google” higher in reliability so you do have to pay attention to why he mentions those things. Each message is roughly 40 minutes and there are 4 of them so far (#5 will be on Sunday morning, but the also be placed on our channel) if you are interested. Checking it out now. Question, is E-Free the same as EV-Free (that's what we always called Evangelical Free churches) or is it something else? Sorry for my ignorance. The actual name of record of our church is Evangelical Free Church of Bloomington/Normal... but a couple years ago, we noticed everyone was just shortening that to “E-Free” (or, as above, EFree), so we decided we wouldn’t fight it, plus it fit on their business cards and the letterhead easier. Sunday mornings, by the way, we are live and you can access us at 10:15 Central Time at efreebn.online.church if you’re interested. In the live chat window over on the side, I’m listed as DavidSF. |
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Post by Credo on May 26, 2020 10:25:28 GMT -8
And the Church is not a society of the perfect (no such thing exists) but is rather a great field hospital for sinners.
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Post by tubaornottuba on May 26, 2020 11:24:20 GMT -8
And life is absurd. You and everyone meaningful in your life eventually dies and in the end it all signifies......nothing. [Dr. Kat Arney] I agree. There is no need for belief in a sky-thingy --especially a belief in the invisible goblin of jealous and uneasy vanity made up in preposterous Christian myths, but others, too -- to have a life full of joy, love, wonder, accomplishments and contentment. That is, profoundly meaningful to me and the people in my life. |
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Post by davidsf on May 26, 2020 14:00:50 GMT -8
And life is absurd. You and everyone meaningful in your life eventually dies and in the end it all signifies......nothing. [Dr. Kat Arney] I agree. There is no need for belief in a sky-thingy --especially a belief in the invisible goblin of jealous and uneasy vanity made up in preposterous Christian myths, but others, too -- to have a life full of joy, love, wonder, accomplishments and contentment. That is, profoundly meaningful to me and the people in my life. I love it when misinformed cretins say things like this. You make two things painfully obvious: - It takes more faith to believe whatever it is that you believe than it does to simply believe the Bible in context, and
- When it comes to Christianity, you have no idea what you’re talking about.
im sorry some mean Sunday school teacher sounded your inner child. But the simple fact is, there will come a day when everyone, including all you maladjusted, misinformed misanthropes like you WILL knew the truth.
one can only hope it is in time.
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Post by reachmole on May 26, 2020 14:07:23 GMT -8
Rather aggressive wording there, tubaormottuba! How do you really feel? I don’t know you from Adam, and I really don’t like getting into non-civilized, keyboard wars where there is little or no mutual respect established. That being said, I will take a stab at your post and see if we can engage in common decency while exchanging idea. If not, I will assume you have no real valid arguments for your position.
Based on your post, you seem to have quite a bit of anger when it comes to religion. I would like to find out more as to why later. First, let’s review what you said to see if there are any valid arguments.
"The true meaning of life is what I make with the people around me – my family, friends, colleagues, and strangers. [Subjective statement but no harm]
People tell religious fairy stories [ad hominem] to create meaning, [Unsupported claim. No supporting evidence]
but I'd rather face up to what all the evidence suggests is the scientific truth [Unsupported claim. No supporting evidence] – all we really have is our own humanity." [Dr. Kat Arney]
I agree. There is no need for belief in a sky-thingy [Another ad hominem]
especially a belief in the invisible goblin of jealous and uneasy vanity made up in preposterous Christian myths [Again, another ad hominem. This is getting old, and not very impressive],
but others, too -- to have a life full of joy, love, wonder, accomplishments and contentment. That is, profoundly meaningful to me and the people in my life. [Isn’t it to everyone?]
So, when I look at this, all you really did was to throw three personal attacks at people of faith, probably Christians, like me. Additionally, you did not give any argument as to why our belief system is false. I assume that was your original point, although you really didn’t state a point. So, I will ask you, in a civilized manner, what specifically is your argument?
Regards,
ReachMole
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Post by tubaornottuba on May 26, 2020 16:54:39 GMT -8
"The true meaning of life is what I make with the people around me – my family, friends, colleagues, and strangers. People tell religious fairy stories to create meaning, but I'd rather face up to what all the evidence suggests is the scientific truth – all we really have is our own humanity." [Dr. Kat Arney] I agree. There is no need for belief in a sky-thingy --especially a belief in the invisible goblin of jealous and uneasy vanity made up in preposterous Christian myths, but others, too -- to have a life full of joy, love, wonder, accomplishments and contentment. That is, profoundly meaningful to me and the people in my life. I love it when misinformed cretins say things like this. You make two things painfully obvious: - It takes more faith to believe whatever it is that you believe than it does to simply believe the Bible in context, and
- When it comes to Christianity, you have no idea what you’re talking about.
im sorry some mean Sunday school teacher sounded your inner child. But the simple fact is, there will come a day when everyone, including all you maladjusted, misinformed misanthropes like you WILL knew the truth.
one can only hope it is in time.
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Post by tubaornottuba on May 26, 2020 17:29:26 GMT -8
sf: I love it when misinformed cretins say things like this. You make two things painfully obvious: Tuba:Imperious yada-yada. @@ sf:It takes more faith to believe whatever it is that you believe than it does to simply believe the Bible in context, Tuba:It's easy enough to disbelieve Bible fairy-tales. The superstitious hooga-booga of ignorant Bronze Age goat-herders, desert-nomads, street-vagrants and soothsayers that make up Biblical "context" insult my intellect. It's not difficult to dismiss them at all. Who told you it was hard to do, Thumper? sf:an d When it comes to Christianity, you have no idea what you’re talking about. Tuba:Tut, tut. Your Bible-thumper tongue clicking doesn't persuade me to trust the veracity of Bible myths in any "context". I'll concede though that the hooey in the Bible is kept interesting by copious stories of war, mayhem, slaughter, rape, incest, harems, sex and child abuse, slavery, murder, mass-drowning etc. sf:im sorry some mean Sunday school teacher sounded your inner child. But the simple fact is, there will come a day when everyone, including all you maladjusted, misinformed misanthropes like you WILL knew the truth one can only hope it is in time.
Tuba:
Bible thumpers always get to a threat. Always. It didn't take you long. Do you really think that silly threat makes a compelling argument? Too funny.
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Post by Credo on May 26, 2020 21:51:04 GMT -8
"The true meaning of life is what I make with the people around me – my family, friends, colleagues, and strangers. People tell religious fairy stories to create meaning, but I'd rather face up to what all the evidence suggests is the scientific truth – all we really have is our own humanity." [Dr. Kat Arney] I agree. There is no need for belief in a sky-thingy --especially a belief in the invisible goblin of jealous and uneasy vanity made up in preposterous Christian myths, but others, too -- to have a life full of joy, love, wonder, accomplishments and contentment. That is, profoundly meaningful to me and the people in my life. Serious questions: - What constitutes our humanity? That is, what distinguishes human beings from the rest of the animal world? - If there is only the material and the physically tangible, how do you explain your mind and your personal consciousness, which are beyond the realm of science to understand? - Do you believe in conscience? - What happens when you die? - How do you know that what is meaningful to you and the people in your life is not just a set of fairy tales that you tell yourself to create meaning? What is the scientific basis for those values? (e.g., joy, love, wonder, contentment) - Criminals, serial killers and murderous tyrants makes choices and engage in actions that give them meaning. On what basis can you condemn their choices? |
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