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Post by Foggy on Oct 30, 2020 5:35:12 GMT -8
instead of trying to cast (your) aspersions on the host of an opinion show, what are your thoughts about the crimes he’s already committed? Oh, that's easy. I've decided that I'm not going to vote for Hunter Biden for president, and that's final. |
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Post by davidsf on Oct 30, 2020 5:37:32 GMT -8
instead of trying to cast (your) aspersions on the host of an opinion show, what are your thoughts about the crimes he’s already committed? Oh, that's easy. I've decided that I'm not going to vote for Hunter Biden for president, and that's final. A non-response. how about you answer the question I asked instead of some imagined question you’d prefer. |
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Post by Foggy on Oct 30, 2020 5:39:53 GMT -8
You didn't make it clear, maybe. Are you suggesting Tucker Carlson committed crimes? Who are you talking about?
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Post by davidsf on Oct 30, 2020 5:52:11 GMT -8
You didn't make it clear, maybe. Are you suggesting Tucker Carlson committed crimes? Who are you talking about? Yeah, that’s what I thought. In the future, I will just assume you are incapable of intelligent responses to reasonable questions: That should save us some time and you some dignity, however small. |
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Post by Foggy on Oct 30, 2020 6:17:59 GMT -8
Well, when you're talking about committing crimes, you have to talk about a specific statute that someone violated. Crimes are defined ONLY by specific statutes, as you may know.
And I'm not aware that Hunter Biden has ever been convicted of any crime in any jurisdiction. Maybe YOU have convicted him of something in your personal opinion. I know he says he used drugs, many years ago, but only possession, not dealing. If you think he committed crimes, what specific statutes did he violate, and in which jurisdiction?
In my opinion, the fact that Hunter may have committed some crimes is no reason not to elect his father. I'd hate for my father to be criticized for any alleged crimes I may have committed in my wayward youth. I left home when I was 18 and my dad didn't know whether I was alive or dead for several years. Did he do something wrong by allowing me to smoke pot?
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Post by duke on Oct 30, 2020 6:33:42 GMT -8
Seriously Foggy? His emails indicate that Hunter and James Biden are involved in selling access to Joe Biden for large amounts of money for years from about 5 countries. Millions, and millions of dollars. They also prove that the former VP has lied on numerous occasions about knowing what his son was doing, and meeting with these people. Also that Joe Biden is personally getting money from these deals. Do you still want to vote for someone who has sold out his country for personal gain for himself and his family?
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Post by davidsf on Oct 30, 2020 7:02:04 GMT -8
Well, when you're talking about committing crimes, you have to talk about a specific statute that someone violated. Crimes are defined ONLY by specific statutes, as you may know. And I'm not aware that Hunter Biden has ever been convicted of any crime in any jurisdiction. Maybe YOU have convicted him of something in your personal opinion. I know he says he used drugs, many years ago, but only possession, not dealing. If you think he committed crimes, what specific statutes did he violate, and in which jurisdiction? In my opinion, the fact that Hunter may have committed some crimes is no reason not to elect his father. I'd hate for my father to be criticized for any alleged crimes I may have committed in my wayward youth. I left home when I was 18 and my dad didn't know whether I was alive or dead for several years. Did he do something wrong by allowing me to smoke pot? Again, trying to reframe the reasonable question into something you’d prefer to answer. My question had nothing to do with Joe, so quit trying to drag an Alzheimers patient into it. here it is again: ...what are your thoughts about the crimes he’s already committed? the FBI has his laptop on which is verified photos of his 14 year old niece in sexually compromised positions and other child pornography. we have also seen evidence, as Duke just reminded you, of him pedaling influence and access to his father... and of course, everyone has tried to forget that whole Burisma debacle (once it was proven it was him and Joe pedaling influence and not Trump)... again, what are your thoughts about THOSE crimes? |
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Post by vilepagan on Oct 30, 2020 8:06:54 GMT -8
Oh, that's easy. I've decided that I'm not going to vote for Hunter Biden for president, and that's final. A non-response. how about you answer the question I asked instead of some imagined question you’d prefer. He did. You asked him what he thought about the crimes (you claim) Hunter Biden committed and he told you that he wouldn't be voting for him (Hunter Biden). If you need that explained I would say he was telling you that since Hunter isn't running for anything, whatever crimes he may or may not have committed are irrelevant to the election. And he'd be right. Your prurient interest in Hunter Biden's e-mails is just an interest in sordid gossip. Christians are supposed to avoid gossip. |
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Post by vilepagan on Oct 30, 2020 8:10:34 GMT -8
His emails indicate that Hunter and James Biden are involved in selling access to Joe Biden for large amounts of money for years from about 5 countries. Millions, and millions of dollars. They also prove that the former VP has lied on numerous occasions about knowing what his son was doing, and meeting with these people. Also that Joe Biden is personally getting money from these deals. A heap of falsehoods. His e-mails haven't been made public. They're under investigation by the FBI. How is it you're intimately familiar with the contents? You're not. You're just spouting nonsense you hope is true. |
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Post by vilepagan on Oct 30, 2020 8:16:43 GMT -8
Well, when you're talking about committing crimes, you have to talk about a specific statute that someone violated. Crimes are defined ONLY by specific statutes, as you may know. And I'm not aware that Hunter Biden has ever been convicted of any crime in any jurisdiction. Maybe YOU have convicted him of something in your personal opinion. I know he says he used drugs, many years ago, but only possession, not dealing. If you think he committed crimes, what specific statutes did he violate, and in which jurisdiction? In my opinion, the fact that Hunter may have committed some crimes is no reason not to elect his father. I'd hate for my father to be criticized for any alleged crimes I may have committed in my wayward youth. I left home when I was 18 and my dad didn't know whether I was alive or dead for several years. Did he do something wrong by allowing me to smoke pot? ...what are your thoughts about the crimes he’s already committed? the FBI has his laptop on which is verified photos of his 14 year old niece in sexually compromised positions and other child pornography. we have also seen evidence, as Duke just reminded you, of him pedaling influence and access to his father... and of course, everyone has tried to forget that whole Burisma debacle (once it was proven it was him and Joe pedaling influence and not Trump)... again, what are your thoughts about THOSE crimes? I know you didn't ask me, but my thoughts are that you don't have a clue what you're talking about...again. You're just making unsubstantiated claims about e-mails you haven't seen. My thoughts are that your wild speculation doesn't mean either of the Biden's committed a crime. If there is anything criminal on the laptop I'm sure the FBI will get to the bottom of it and state publicly what they found. Until then your crazy speculation isn't in the least bit informative and not even very entertaining. But do carry on.  |
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Post by RSM789 on Oct 30, 2020 12:19:36 GMT -8
In my opinion, the fact that Hunter may have committed some crimes is no reason not to elect his father. That in & of itself is reasonable. However, the reality of the situation isn't that it was in & of itself: Joe Biden lied about knowing Hunters corrupt business dealings. That goes to character of the candidate and is a reason to not elect Joe. Joe Biden has now been implicated as participating in Hunters business dealings. That goes to corruption of the candidate and is a reason to not elect Joe. Joe Biden said that he saw nothing wrong with Hunter being hired by Burisma while Joe was VP. That goes to lack of intelligence of the candidate and is a reason to not elect Joe. These are just a few reasons of many to not elect Joe Biden. |
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Post by Foggy on Oct 30, 2020 13:37:10 GMT -8
Oh, I thought we were talking about crimes. Joe Biden hasn't been credibly accused of any crimes.
There's no proof he made any money in the Ukraine, and "making money in a foreign country" is not a crime. Neither is "approving of your son getting a job".
Nobody's ever going to charge him with an actual crime based on the hoaxes and fantasies of Pecker Grabber Giuliani or Fox News. America has heard the BS about Hunter's laptop and found it wanting.
You can yammer about corruption till the cows come home, if you have any cows. But Trump is WAY more corrupt than Joe Biden.
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Post by duke on Oct 30, 2020 13:45:59 GMT -8
Same old, same old, Foggy. Are you one of the Russian misinformation crowd too. BTW, America has not heard what's on Hunters laptop. But they will, and I'm sure you're pleased to see that the MSM has been able to hold people off until after they vote. Only 4 days to go until election. Are you nervous that people will see the truth?
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Post by davidsf on Oct 30, 2020 14:54:23 GMT -8
Oh, I thought we were talking about crimes. Joe Biden hasn't been credibly accused of any crimes. There's no proof he made any money in the Ukraine, and "making money in a foreign country" is not a crime. Neither is "approving of your son getting a job". Nobody's ever going to charge him with an actual crime based on the hoaxes and fantasies of Pecker Grabber Giuliani or Fox News. America has heard the BS about Hunter's laptop and found it wanting. You can yammer about corruption till the cows come home, if you have any cows. But Trump is WAY more corrupt than Joe Biden. I question your use of “credibly.” are you one of those who won’t accept a person’s poor character/behavior until convicted in a court? I’m not. Although courts can be useful in determining legal guilt, a given actor can be seen demonstrably unsavory without it. If you DO need a court decision before you’ll recognize it, then we have nothing further to discuss here and I would prefer we not waste each other’s time regurgitating the same nonsense post after post. Hunter (the subject of my original question) is demonstrably reprobate at least for reasons I’ve already stated. moving on to the subject you prefer, my first observation is, Hunter’s behavior did not magically appear out of nowhere. He learned it somewhere: Sons typically learn behavior from their fathers. Second, Joe is clearly not in control of all his faculties and definitely not showing the stability or presence of mind required of a president, and he has been linked to his son’s influence pedaling as well. obviously, none of this will convince someone like you, but it is sufficient for rational and critical thinkers to pick the other guy, even as puerile and condescending as he might be. |
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Post by RSM789 on Oct 30, 2020 16:52:02 GMT -8
...is not a crime. Neither is "approving of your son getting a job"... ...But Trump is WAY more corrupt than Joe Biden. Lying is also not a crime, unless you do it to law enforcement officers. However, the original discussion was "reasons why not to vote for Joe Biden". You moved the goalposts by changing the discussions to "Joe Biden is not a criminal". Lets get back to your original thesis, reasons why not to vote for Biden. Biden lied about his knowledge & involvement in his sons business activities in the Ukraine & China while Joe was VP. That goes to his character & is just one reason why you shouldn't vote for him. As for corruption, we can make this tit-for-tat and compare the two. Biden was bought & paid for (including funds to Hunter as a consultant) in 2008 by MBNA, a very corrupt relationship that included land sales to Biden at below market value. Obviously corrupt, but Obama's justice department looked the other way. Your turn to name one time Trump has been corrupt while in office. |
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