Credo
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Post by Credo on Nov 16, 2020 15:23:38 GMT -8
They've been doing it legally via abortion for 50 years now. COVID has now given them their opportunity to ramp up the culling of the herd in the tradition of Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot.
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Luca
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Post by Luca on Nov 16, 2020 21:50:38 GMT -8
If they were really sincere in their beliefs, you’d think they’d be the first ones to volunteer to go.
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Post by Credo on Nov 16, 2020 22:58:09 GMT -8
If they were really sincere in their beliefs, you’d think they’d be the first ones to volunteer to go. Just like all the white liberals crying about the lack of minority representation in business or politics--who then stepped aside and offered their jobs or positions to black and brown persons? Hold on....still waiting for that first example. |
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Post by davidsf on Nov 17, 2020 5:38:47 GMT -8
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Post by vilepagan on Nov 17, 2020 6:00:05 GMT -8
If they were really sincere in their beliefs, you’d think they’d be the first ones to volunteer to go. And if you guys were really sincere in your beliefs we wouldn't have an abortion clinic still standing in this country...not to mention no capital punishment. |
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Post by tarmac on Nov 17, 2020 9:19:40 GMT -8
If they were really sincere in their beliefs, you’d think they’d be the first ones to volunteer to go. And if you guys were really sincere in your beliefs we wouldn't have an abortion clinic still standing in this country...not to mention no capital punishment. |
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Post by Luca on Nov 17, 2020 12:14:00 GMT -8
It's hard to respond to a post when you can't figure out what it's supposed to mean.
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Post by thefrog on Nov 17, 2020 12:22:40 GMT -8
It's hard to respond to a post when you can't figure out what it's supposed to mean. Ya, this thread is... interesting |
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Post by vilepagan on Nov 19, 2020 6:58:40 GMT -8
It's hard to respond to a post when you can't figure out what it's supposed to mean. It means you're in no position to question my sincerity when the anti-abortion crowd screams about "murder" but stands by while it occurs. If you guys really believed that abortion is "murder" you'd go out and burn down abortion clinics...since you don't your sincerity is in question. Then there's the irony of people claiming they're "pro-life" while advocating for capital punishment, but that's another story. |
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Post by vilepagan on Nov 19, 2020 6:59:42 GMT -8
And if you guys were really sincere in your beliefs we wouldn't have an abortion clinic still standing in this country...not to mention no capital punishment. And you post nothing of any consequence whatsoever. I'd say it was "sad' too but it's all you've ever done so it's just what's expected. |
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Post by Luca on Nov 19, 2020 12:05:18 GMT -8
It means you're in no position to question my sincerity when the anti-abortion crowd screams about "murder" but stands by while it occurs. If you guys really believed that abortion is "murder" you'd go out and burn down abortion clinics...since you don't your sincerity is in question. Then there's the irony of people claiming they're "pro-life" while advocating for capital punishment, but that's another story. You make a few unjustified assumptions on this thread. First, I had no idea whether or not you had any position on depopulating the earth - you had not volunteered one - so to say that I was questioning your sincerity is a bit premature. If you were offended by my pointing out the ethical paradox, my apologies. Second, pro life individuals consider abortion to be murder because they hold fetuses to be human life, in which case by definition abortion would be murder, i.e., killing the innocent. I have no idea what "murder" you refer to when you state that pro-life proponents "standby while it occurs". Third, it is your prerogative to believe that burning down abortion clinics would be the rational response, but obviously the overwhelming majority of pro-life individuals do not accept that reasoning. You seem to imply that if they do not burn down clinics then therefore they are not sincere. There is no logic to that line of reasoning at all. That is why I said that I could not understand your post. You are correct in that capital punishment is "another story" because capital punishment - which many if not most pro-lifers do oppose, you understand - does not involve the killing of an innocent, which is what the word "murder" actually means…………………………….Luca |
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Post by vilepagan on Nov 19, 2020 12:55:21 GMT -8
It means you're in no position to question my sincerity when the anti-abortion crowd screams about "murder" but stands by while it occurs. If you guys really believed that abortion is "murder" you'd go out and burn down abortion clinics...since you don't your sincerity is in question. Then there's the irony of people claiming they're "pro-life" while advocating for capital punishment, but that's another story. You make a few unjustified assumptions on this thread. First, I had no idea whether or not you had any position on depopulating the earth - you had not volunteered one - so to say that I was questioning your sincerity is a bit premature. If you were offended by my pointing out the ethical paradox, my apologies. Second, pro life individuals consider abortion to be murder because they hold fetuses to be human life, in which case by definition abortion would be murder, i.e., killing the innocent. I have no idea what "murder" you refer to when you state that pro-life proponents "standby while it occurs". Third, it is your prerogative to believe that burning down abortion clinics would be the rational response, but obviously the overwhelming majority of pro-life individuals do not accept that reasoning. You seem to imply that if they do not burn down clinics then therefore they are not sincere. There is no logic to that line of reasoning at all. That is why I said that I could not understand your post. You are correct in that capital punishment is "another story" because capital punishment - which many if not most pro-lifers do oppose, you understand - does not involve the killing of an innocent, which is what the word "murder" actually means…………………………….Luca I guess I'm not the only one making unfounded assumptions. First, sure ok...wasn't interested in depopulating the earth either, that's just crazy talk. Second, no that's not the definition of "murder", and obviously the "murder" I was talking about was abortion. Third, yes that would be a rational response but not the only one...what wouldn't be a rational response is to claim something is "murder" and then do nothing whatever about it. Sorry you don't understand the logic behind my statements, but it's there nonetheless. Lastly, you claim that "murder" is defined as the "killing of an innocent" but that's just not the case. Murder is defined as the unlawful killing of another. Abortion cannot be murder because abortion isn't against the law. Try again. |
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Post by Credo on Nov 22, 2020 19:31:47 GMT -8
Also hated by all tyrants and their admirers for the past 2,000 years. That includes today's American Left.
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Post by Credo on Nov 22, 2020 22:51:58 GMT -8
Not only indoor but now outdoor dining banned in L.A. County.
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Post by Luca on Nov 23, 2020 8:12:09 GMT -8
........Second, no that's not the definition of "murder", and obviously the "murder" I was talking about was abortion. Third, yes that would be a rational response but not the only one...what wouldn't be a rational response is to claim something is "murder" and then do nothing whatever about it. Sorry you don't understand the logic behind my statements, but it's there nonetheless. Lastly, you claim that "murder" is defined as the "killing of an innocent" but that's just not the case. Murder is defined as the unlawful killing of another. Abortion cannot be murder because abortion isn't against the law. Try again. The Pro-life community believes that life begins at conception. If one accepts that, then abortion is murder because it is the taking of innocent life. Obviously they are not claiming that abortion is murder on the basis of current US statutes. They believe that abortion is murder on the basis of natural law and the historical interpretation of murder as taking an innocent life. Under your narrow definition of murder, the gassing of Jews and Gypsies at Dachau was not murder because it was not contrary to the Third Reich’s existing law. But I assume we all agree that it was in fact murder The Pro-life community is doing something about abortion. If they were not we wouldn’t be having this discussion. Protests, blocking access, legal action, sidewalk vigils are all appropriate behavior according to their beliefs. It would be morally counterintuitive for them to protest abortion as the taking of innocent life and then risk burning individuals alive. I would assume that you oppose Iranian stoning of homosexuals as is done under Sharia law. It’s legal under Shari allow but it’s also reasonable to conclude that it’s murder, ie, the killing of an innocent. The fact that you have not burned down the local Iranian Embassy doesn’t indicate that you are not "sincere" in opposition to it. So it’s not that I didn’t understand the logic behind your statement, it’s just that the logic was not terribly compelling…………………………..Luca |
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