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Post by vilepagan on Mar 29, 2021 2:14:39 GMT -8
Let me ask you this...you say you love our history while insinuating that the left does not...are you familiar with the Tuskegee Experiment? A serious debater would look at the entire history or body of work of a person or nation rather than point out just the warts. A serious debater would also not ignore history which is unflattering, nor would they suggest someone is unpatriotic for acknowledging our darker moments. But hey, it's good you recognize that you were wrong for doing so. |
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Post by vilepagan on Mar 29, 2021 2:16:13 GMT -8
My undergraduate was in World History from a liberal university. No wonder my view of the history is "childlike." Great. What classes did you take that taught you to post stupid pictures? That class is what makes you appear childlike. Carry on. |
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Post by vilepagan on Mar 29, 2021 2:26:19 GMT -8
I hadn't heard of the Tuskegee Experiment before, so I spent a little time to see what it was all about. From what I understand, it was acceptable at the time, but then later found (rightly so) to be unacceptable. A class action suit followed and awarded the participants / families of the experiment restitution, and ended the practice nearly half a century ago. For some reason, Clinton felt compelled to formally apologize for those events that happened some 20 years before him being president. Again, I celebrate the fact we changed that practice, and think those who endured that and subsequently thrived here are the real heroes / victims. I won't apologize for actions I had nothing to do with, nor would I want one from someone who did not perpetrate an offense. I also won't apologize for being a straight, mixed race male American who doesn't think I owe the next in line, woke would be victim group a damn thing. Thank you for doing a little research on the Tuskegee Experiment. You're right, it was a sad day in our history. I suspect President Clinton felt he should apologize as a representative of all Americans, even the ones who were victimized by this experiment. I will say that I doubt anyone wants an apology from you, only acknowledgment that perhaps our country isn't perfect, and maybe there are past incidents that need to be addressed. Lastly I would point out that your feelings towards this country are perhaps not shared by those families who were unwitting participants in this sad experiment...would you say they are unpatriotic for feeling the way they do? Is it unpatriotic to hold a different opinion about such issues? |
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Post by MDDad on Mar 29, 2021 6:19:53 GMT -8
A serious debater would look at the entire history or body of work of a person or nation rather than point out just the warts. A serious debater would also not ignore history which is unflattering, nor would they suggest someone is unpatriotic for acknowledging our darker moments. But hey, it's good you recognize that you were wrong for doing so. Please show me where I ignored history that was unflattering, or where I suggested that it's unpatriotic to acknowledge our darker moments. Honest to God, VP, you have the most infuriating talent for reading one thing and comprehending something else entirely from what was written. One could almost think it's intentional. |
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Post by davidsf on Mar 29, 2021 6:26:45 GMT -8
A serious debater would also not ignore history which is unflattering, nor would they suggest someone is unpatriotic for acknowledging our darker moments. But hey, it's good you recognize that you were wrong for doing so. Please show me where I ignored history that was unflattering, or where I suggested that it's unpatriotic to acknowledge our darker moments. Honest to God, VP, you have the most infuriating talent for reading one thing and comprehending something else entirely from what was written. One could almost think it's intentional. Probably an Aneurysm, or possibly a stroke: he does that a lot. |
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Post by duke on Mar 29, 2021 7:08:23 GMT -8
That's what Trolls do.
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Post by Bick on Mar 29, 2021 7:45:00 GMT -8
I hadn't heard of the Tuskegee Experiment before, so I spent a little time to see what it was all about. From what I understand, it was acceptable at the time, but then later found (rightly so) to be unacceptable. A class action suit followed and awarded the participants / families of the experiment restitution, and ended the practice nearly half a century ago. For some reason, Clinton felt compelled to formally apologize for those events that happened some 20 years before him being president. Again, I celebrate the fact we changed that practice, and think those who endured that and subsequently thrived here are the real heroes / victims. I won't apologize for actions I had nothing to do with, nor would I want one from someone who did not perpetrate an offense. I also won't apologize for being a straight, mixed race male American who doesn't think I owe the next in line, woke would be victim group a damn thing. Thank you for doing a little research on the Tuskegee Experiment. You're right, it was a sad day in our history. I suspect President Clinton felt he should apologize as a representative of all Americans, even the ones who were victimized by this experiment. I will say that I doubt anyone wants an apology from you, only acknowledgment that perhaps our country isn't perfect, and maybe there are past incidents that need to be addressed. Lastly I would point out that your feelings towards this country are perhaps not shared by those families who were unwitting participants in this sad experiment...would you say they are unpatriotic for feeling the way they do? Is it unpatriotic to hold a different opinion about such issues? Given that I DO believe in God, my core beliefs are that men are imperfect and full of faults. Is it unpatriotic to recognize American leaders had faults throughout its history? Of course not. I don't need to further acknowledge our country isn't perfect, nor do I think we need to spend any effort on addressing whatever offenses may have been committed 50 - 250 years ago. I think it is naïve to think less of this country because of its faults, and would suggest to those who do think so to find the country they would support above all others. What I resent is the current culture that is willing to ignore the good of many of those who came before and currently lead us, and vilify them because of their faults. This culture is not only casually unpatriotic, it's subversive to our national interests at its core. It's purely about gaining power for selfish needs, while using various "victim" groups as fodder to consolidate that power. Your turn. Which country do you believe was led by leaders throughout its history with fewer faults, or has done a better job of correcting its mistakes? |
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Post by davidsf on Mar 29, 2021 9:23:11 GMT -8
Freaking hypocrite.
what about your own past misdeeds that need to be addressed (some of which led to the formation of this very community)
Don't talk out of your ass about "past incidents" until you are prepared to own your own behavior, you cretin.
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Post by davidsf on Mar 29, 2021 14:26:58 GMT -8
This is getting sad
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Post by thefrog on Mar 29, 2021 14:32:19 GMT -8
/looks at Texas
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Post by duke on Mar 29, 2021 15:12:59 GMT -8
China Joe's not looking ( or sounding ) too good.
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Post by Credo on Mar 29, 2021 19:54:47 GMT -8
He says while not wearing a mask. What a Neanderthal.... |
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Post by vilepagan on Mar 30, 2021 3:20:03 GMT -8
They also insert themselves into discussions just to insult people. Good job. Anything intelligent to add? Carry on. |
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Post by vilepagan on Mar 30, 2021 3:37:01 GMT -8
Thank you for doing a little research on the Tuskegee Experiment. You're right, it was a sad day in our history. I suspect President Clinton felt he should apologize as a representative of all Americans, even the ones who were victimized by this experiment. I will say that I doubt anyone wants an apology from you, only acknowledgment that perhaps our country isn't perfect, and maybe there are past incidents that need to be addressed. Lastly I would point out that your feelings towards this country are perhaps not shared by those families who were unwitting participants in this sad experiment...would you say they are unpatriotic for feeling the way they do? Is it unpatriotic to hold a different opinion about such issues? Given that I DO believe in God, my core beliefs are that men are imperfect and full of faults. Is it unpatriotic to recognize American leaders had faults throughout its history? Of course not. I don't need to further acknowledge our country isn't perfect, nor do I think we need to spend any effort on addressing whatever offenses may have been committed 50 - 250 years ago. I think it is naïve to think less of this country because of its faults, and would suggest to those who do think so to find the country they would support above all others. What I resent is the current culture that is willing to ignore the good of many of those who came before and currently lead us, and vilify them because of their faults. This culture is not only casually unpatriotic, it's subversive to our national interests at its core. It's purely about gaining power for selfish needs, while using various "victim" groups as fodder to consolidate that power. Your turn. Which country do you believe was led by leaders throughout its history with fewer faults, or has done a better job of correcting its mistakes? Congratulations on your belief in God. I fail to see the relevance of your religion. Again, your feelings about past infractions by our government might be different if you or your family were the victims of said infraction. At any rate this discussion started when one of these infractions was merely mentioned...why is that if acknowledging past infractions is ok? Didn't trump gain power for selfish reasons while using white folks as his alleged victims? Sound familiar? As to your question...I'd say I'm not as familiar with the history of other countries as I am with this one, and some of our "mistakes" have occurred due to our trying to establish and maintain our status as a "superpower". While these actions wouldn't have happened to a country who didn't have such aims, I'd say that there are many countries who haven't engaged in any imperialistic actions, who haven't gone out of their way to start any wars or spread their political, religious or other beliefs. There are countries who have embraced democratic values, improved the welfare of its citizens, and managed to do so without oppressing any native peoples or expanding their territories at the expense of their neighbors. Perfect? No, but there are plenty of countries with a better track record than the US. If you need an example I submit Norway. |
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Post by vilepagan on Mar 30, 2021 3:37:25 GMT -8
Freaking hypocrite. what about your own past misdeeds that need to be addressed (some of which led to the formation of this very community) Don't talk out of your ass about "past incidents" until you are prepared to own your own behavior, you cretin. What an asshole you are. |
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