davidsf
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Post by davidsf on Aug 22, 2021 8:39:06 GMT -8
In another thread (about Newsom's recall), SK80 referred to the need for a libertarian [to step up]. That got me to thinking, this moment in our history might be THE moment for Libertarians to fill the need, at pretty much all levels. Are they missing a great opportunity?
Last few elections (national and state), my Libertarian friend has always turned philosophical about their losses: "Well, next time, we'll at least get a seat at the table," or "hey, we took that county seat, so..."
Liberals hate Trump, Conservatives don't like Biden, our republican governor failed because he couldn't handle the democrat super-majority in our legislature, our democrat governors are failing because they're inept. Both republican and democrat legislators, state and national, are more interested in themselves than they are in representing their constituents (some have even said so)...
Doesn't it seem America is screaming for something else?
And Libertarians, some of whom, I know, are squawking about marijuana laws and vaccines...
I'm seeing them missing the boat here. How about you?
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Post by billb on Aug 22, 2021 11:58:00 GMT -8
I think it depends on the Libertarian. Rand Paul is good, but the last candidates were lacking.
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Post by davidsf on Aug 22, 2021 12:31:00 GMT -8
I think it depends on the Libertarian. Rand Paul is good, but the last candidates were lacking. As I've repeatedly told our local head of the region Libertarian party, their broad goals (like reduced government intervention) are worthy and supportable, but they waste time (and, IMO votes) pushing for micro-issues like legalized drugs and such... I don't agree with their open borders stance, but they don't have to push that to the front... Get the job FIRST, by campaigning on the bigger issues, THEN see what you can do with the litter ones that no one likes. |
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Post by Oakley on Aug 22, 2021 12:47:21 GMT -8
I don't see how any intelligent American can support open borders.
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davidsf
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Post by davidsf on Aug 22, 2021 13:00:19 GMT -8
I don't see how any intelligent American can support open borders. Neither do I... and it defies explanation why anyone who really wants to get elected would keep bringing it up. |
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Post by Oakley on Aug 22, 2021 13:06:38 GMT -8
I am confused. Your statement indicates that you believe open borders is a minor issue. Am I wrong?
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Post by davidsf on Aug 22, 2021 19:43:28 GMT -8
Yes, you are wrong: What I’m saying is, libertarians publicly confess their support for issues the American public doesn’t like. I’m saying they would do better to focus on the more agreeable issues like lower gov’t intervention.
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Post by MDDad on Aug 22, 2021 21:35:17 GMT -8
If Libertarians want to win elections, they should support open borders but never mention it. That's the gameplan Democrats use and look how well it's worked for them.
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Post by vilepagan on Aug 23, 2021 2:39:04 GMT -8
You're advocating that they should lie to you in the same paragraph that you're decrying the dishonesty of politicians. Cognitive dissonance at its finest.
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Post by davidsf on Aug 23, 2021 6:22:03 GMT -8
If Libertarians want to win elections, they should support open borders but never mention it. That's the gameplan Democrats use and look how well it's worked for them. Yes, that is what I'm saying! Thank you. |
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Post by MDDad on Aug 23, 2021 6:32:25 GMT -8
Except that supporting open borders, secretly or openly, is ridiculously stupid and nationally suicidal.
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davidsf
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Post by davidsf on Aug 23, 2021 7:07:39 GMT -8
Except that supporting open borders, secretly or openly, is ridiculously stupid and nationally suicidal. OH yes... which is why, if they want to be taken seriously as candidates, they should either change their position (which we all know they won't do) or, as you said, keep it in the background. |
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Post by MDDad on Aug 23, 2021 7:48:03 GMT -8
I think it's dishonest to keep in the background those policy positions that are stupid or unpopular.
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Post by vilepagan on Aug 23, 2021 7:55:07 GMT -8
And yet you recommend that dishonesty to your libertarian friends.
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Post by davidsf on Aug 23, 2021 8:28:47 GMT -8
I think it's dishonest to keep in the background those policy positions that are stupid or unpopular. Of course it is... we're talking "politics" and what it might take to be elected. Seldom does that involve being honest and forthright. |
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