SK80
Master Eminence Grise
Posts: 7,381
|
Post by SK80 on Jan 21, 2024 12:58:19 GMT -8
Should we start a new thread RONNIE D. 2028 Some major lessons to be learned by Ron and team DeSantis. Hopefully his "TEAM" is disbanded.
|
|
Bick
Administrator
Posts: 6,906
|
Post by Bick on Jan 21, 2024 13:07:39 GMT -8
I'm likely in the minority, but I like DeSantis better than Trump.
Seems more professional.
|
|
SK80
Master Eminence Grise
Posts: 7,381
|
Post by SK80 on Jan 21, 2024 13:26:29 GMT -8
I'm likely in the minority, but I like DeSantis better than Trump. Seems more professional. Maybe not, my ticket was DeSantis-Paul before anyone declared they were running in 2024. DeSantis had EVERYTHING going for him, stellar job during Covid, his state became a destination for commerce and travel, he improved his constituents lives. But when he allowed Trump to get out in front and then appeared fearful for 6 months about declaring he was running, he buried himself. In politics you cant appear apprehensive or afraid. His stature became diminutive. Not even those platform cowboy boots could save him.
|
|
billb
Senior Eminence Grise
Posts: 3,088
|
Post by billb on Jan 21, 2024 13:42:38 GMT -8
I'm likely in the minority, but I like DeSantis better than Trump. Seems more professional. Personally I am not looking for a professional politician. I think a professional real estate investor is better, BUT besides that they both have pretty good records. The thing I like about Trump is his RINO party members and Democrats hate him. That is because he is not a sell-out to corporate interests over small business interests. I can't remember the exact things he did, but since the pandemic began (which I agree SK, he handled that better than Trump, which was a big deal to me), DeSantis was a sell out on a couple things. I DID like what he did to Disney and several other issues. Vivek would have been my second choice behind Trump, and then DeSantis. I think Trump pushed us away from war and wasteful public spending (that is why the RINOs and Dems hate him so much) and onto things that matter, like the wall, second amendment, uneven foreign trade deals...
|
|
MDDad
Master Eminence Grise
Posts: 6,819
|
Post by MDDad on Jan 21, 2024 16:22:43 GMT -8
I'm likely in the minority, but I like DeSantis better than Trump. Seems more professional. DeSantis was the most decent and accomplished candidate in either field. I guess that's a real detriment today, when other things like glitz, glam, controversy and nastiness are much more admired.
|
|
SK80
Master Eminence Grise
Posts: 7,381
|
Post by SK80 on Jan 21, 2024 19:41:00 GMT -8
I'm likely in the minority, but I like DeSantis better than Trump. Seems more professional. DeSantis was the most decent and accomplished candidate in either field. I guess that's a real detriment today, when other things like glitz, glam, controversy and nastiness are much more admired. "Dog Eat Dog" world we live in, Ron didn't have the bite.
|
|
Bick
Administrator
Posts: 6,906
|
Post by Bick on Jan 22, 2024 11:03:09 GMT -8
I'm likely in the minority, but I like DeSantis better than Trump. Seems more professional. DeSantis was the most decent and accomplished candidate in either field. I guess that's a real detriment today, when other things like glitz, glam, controversy and nastiness are much more admired. Style over substance seems to get all the run, but we really are mostly the opposite at our core.
|
|
MDDad
Master Eminence Grise
Posts: 6,819
|
Post by MDDad on Jan 22, 2024 11:45:43 GMT -8
DeSantis was the most decent and accomplished candidate in either field. I guess that's a real detriment today, when other things like glitz, glam, controversy and nastiness are much more admired. Style over substance seems to get all the run, but we really are mostly the opposite at our core.Then why don't we act like it? I honestly think this country might elect a total nimrod like Taylor Swift, if she weren't a month too young to run.
|
|
SK80
Master Eminence Grise
Posts: 7,381
|
Post by SK80 on Jan 22, 2024 16:47:14 GMT -8
Style over substance seems to get all the run, but we really are mostly the opposite at our core.Then why don't we act like it? I honestly think this country might elect a total nimrod like Taylor Swift, if she weren't a month too young to run. Maybe a Swift - Kelce ticket would get you to vote for Donnie!
|
|
Bick
Administrator
Posts: 6,906
|
Post by Bick on Jan 22, 2024 19:59:43 GMT -8
Style over substance seems to get all the run, but we really are mostly the opposite at our core.Then why don't we act like it? I honestly think this country might elect a total nimrod like Taylor Swift, if she weren't a month too young to run. Do you think the 2020 election was legitimate, or did half the country really want Mr Weekend at Bernie's in the Whitehouse? Middle of the road doesn't make the news, and that's where most of us live.
|
|
MDDad
Master Eminence Grise
Posts: 6,819
|
Post by MDDad on Jan 22, 2024 22:37:58 GMT -8
Do you think the 2020 election was legitimate, or did half the country really want Mr Weekend at Bernie's in the Whitehouse? I think there is compelling evidence that there were numerous instances of voter fraud committed in the 2020 election, all of them in favor of the Democrats. What is impossible to say is whether that was enough to change the outcome. While I don't think half the country wanted Joe Biden in the White House, I can easily imagine that half the country wanted Donald Trump out. And the same thing worries me about next November. If, for example, Ron DeSantis were the GOP nominee this fall, he would easily beat Joe Biden based on the issues and Biden's abysmal record. With Trump as the nominee, the primary issue will be how badly the media can paint him as an asshole...and they have a lot to work with .
|
|
SK80
Master Eminence Grise
Posts: 7,381
|
Post by SK80 on Jan 23, 2024 4:44:04 GMT -8
Then why don't we act like it? I honestly think this country might elect a total nimrod like Taylor Swift, if she weren't a month too young to run. Do you think the 2020 election was legitimate, or did half the country really want Mr Weekend at Bernie's in the Whitehouse?
Middle of the road doesn't make the news, and that's where most of us live. Simply put, our election system is compromised in many ways. When I say this it starts with this states that have big blue city government moving the rules from one day voting, in person voting, even voter id. California works on such things like motor voting, have you ever been to the DMV and watched a government employee help a never registered person fill out a vote registration card? The Democrats have created a voting system that benefits them from ballot harvesting, extended voting windows, electronic voting machines like Dominion and so on. Then you have the entire media and now we learn the FBI and CIA controlling information and censoring other information pertinent to a citizen making fair judgments on candidates. The election interference by our own government through social media and the mainstream media makes for an unfair playing field. So ask me again if it was "legitimate"? I also still can not logically believe Biden received more votes than any other in history. I also can not find legitimacy in the fact I stayed awake to 3 AM in the morning on election eve with Trump fairly ahead in many swing states to wake up and see the portion of votes that came in after 4 AM, in many cases it just was mathematically possible. Look, this is high stakes poker, is there illegitimate actions by both sides? Yes, to some degree or the other. Yet is it possible that it always ends up favoring one side in th outcomes? It was a perfect storm, Covid chaos, create havoc when the country was doing specially well at the time, run with hoaxes like Russia Collusion and have mail in voting by whom knows who and ask yourself, as a nation can we do better. We have turned the process into an electoral circus.
|
|
SK80
Master Eminence Grise
Posts: 7,381
|
Post by SK80 on Jan 23, 2024 5:07:48 GMT -8
Do you think the 2020 election was legitimate, or did half the country really want Mr Weekend at Bernie's in the Whitehouse? for example, Ron DeSantis were the GOP nominee this fall, he would easily beat Joe Biden based on the issues and Biden's abysmal record. With Trump as the nominee, the primary issue will be how badly the media can paint him as an asshole...and they have a lot to work with . Agree w/ your take that I did not copy/paste, but have a different take or POV regarding DeSantis. We, you, I could make a case any fruit or vegetable, let's just take a cantaloupe, could beat Biden and his dismal record. But watching DeSantis on the national stage was a huge disappointment. I think you also do not take into consideration that the media will do the same painting to Ron as they do to Don. My wife went to "The U" inn Miami, we have a lot of friends there in south Florida, I spoke with a few about the entire DeSantis thing the day he dropped out, this is a reply from one of them, (text)..., Even our "R" friends in Florida were dismayed by his campaign and performance and if you had omitted Don, replaced with Ron, the campaign we saw that couldn't even pass up Haley, a beating Biden "easily" may be a stretch. In fact many pundits are already discussing, asking, was the DeSantis campaign for Presidency one of the worst run campaigns in history? I think you could look to from where he was as Governor, a very good one at that with high polling and credibility to where he wound up. Personally, my opinion is he made bad judgement even getting in the race, how he entered and how he bowed to guys like Newsom during a Presidential election cycle whom who was not even running for President! You gave a non candidate the stage to become one, stupid. Who is your campaign advisor? Team DeSantis was a disaster. Not sure that team could beat Biden.
|
|
SK80
Master Eminence Grise
Posts: 7,381
|
Post by SK80 on Jan 23, 2024 5:20:26 GMT -8
Do you think the 2020 election was legitimate, or did half the country really want Mr Weekend at Bernie's in the Whitehouse? Does this help answer your question? Our security agencies acknowledge the many possibilities of voter fraud yet were out on the campaign trail labeling social media users as spreading voter misinformation.
|
|
MDDad
Master Eminence Grise
Posts: 6,819
|
Post by MDDad on Jan 23, 2024 9:06:45 GMT -8
My point was that if any Republican other than Trump were the nominee, the campaign would necessarily default to being about Biden's record as president. That is how virtually all previous elections involving incumbents have been waged. If Trump is the candidate, the media will make it all about him, and Biden's record will almost fade into irrelevance. And Trump's ego is so big that he will not allow it to be about anything other than himself. I still think he may be the only legitimate Republican who can lose an election to Sleepy Joe this year.
|
|