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Post by frankieboy1 on Nov 14, 2021 18:55:04 GMT -8
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Post by Luca on Nov 14, 2021 20:21:09 GMT -8
But they keep referring to them as high school football teams……………..Luca
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Post by frankieboy1 on Nov 15, 2021 7:06:55 GMT -8
what they forget is that the other 4 schools in the Trinity League would beat 99% of the HSFB teams in the country.
JSerra went 0-5 in league-and lost to the two likely finalists in D-2 by 2 points and 7 points.
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Post by davidsf on Nov 15, 2021 7:32:30 GMT -8
what they forget is that the other 4 schools in the Trinity League would beat 99% of the HSFB teams in the country. JSerra went 0-5 in league-and lost to the two likely finalists in D-2 by 2 points and 7 points. I have no affinity whatsoever for Chicago or its area schools, but that 1% of other schools in the country are very likely from Chicago area. |
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Post by Credo on Nov 15, 2021 10:27:06 GMT -8
what they forget is that the other 4 schools in the Trinity League would beat 99% of the HSFB teams in the country. JSerra went 0-5 in league-and lost to the two likely finalists in D-2 by 2 points and 7 points. I would say that's a bit of an overstatement. Even in their down years, those "other four" are among the best teams in Orange County. And--in a normal HSFB world--every several years or so, they should have a shot at going far in CIF. Never before 2013 did any team in the Trinity League think that contending for a mythical "national championship" was their birthright. Negro and Rollinson changed all that--and IMHO this has not been a positive development for anyone except their own profile and the egos of their followers. |
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Post by Bick on Nov 15, 2021 18:04:58 GMT -8
What MD & Bosco did was not much different than what Bezos & Zuckerman did. They made a plan to excel at football, and executed the plan. The put together the resources, lined up admin support, and lapped everyone in the field.
I really don't get the hand-wringing about their success when everyone has the opportunity to do the same. Many tried, or are trying, but haven't succeeded at that level. You don't think EVERY coach wouldn't want that kind of perennial, national-level success?
Congrats to them!
Now go play a f'n national schedule during the playoffs and get a real national championship. You figured out how to make yourselves elite, now figure this part out as well. I promise, there are other schools with like ambitions around the country.
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Post by frankieboy1 on Nov 15, 2021 20:18:36 GMT -8
I'd make the case that there is room for a superteam north of the Santa Monica Mountains (once was Oaks-Calabasas tried and failed, and the jury is still out on Alemany and maybe Simi Valley with Benkert.
There are also schools that could do it if they wanted to (Loyola HS, Sherman Oaks Notre Dame). St Bonaventure can return to prominence (if they want to) if they go back to the Mack-era formula of getting every piece of football talent from Lompoc to Camarillo. In their heyday they were every one's 2nd favorite team in Ventura and Santa Barbara County-playing for the region as well as for the school.
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Post by MDDad on Nov 15, 2021 22:32:33 GMT -8
Now go play a f'n national schedule during the playoffs and get a real national championship. (a) It's hard to play in a f'n national playoff schedule when a f'n national playoff doesn't exist. (b) Are you going to write the checks to cover the travel costs? |
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Post by Bick on Nov 16, 2021 7:09:28 GMT -8
Your "we have no money" rings pretty hollow when writing from your multi - million $$ facilities, MDD.
Surely your end game wasn't to kick everyone's butts here locally. You don't think there's a growing movement to separate from you?
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Post by MDDad on Nov 16, 2021 7:19:06 GMT -8
Your "we have no money" rings pretty hollow when writing from your multi - million $$ facilities, MDD. Are you advocating that the school sell off those muti-million $$ facilities so the football team can travel more to give other schools a better chance at a ring? Seriously, Bick, you make the common mistake of conflating any money the school may have with any money the football program may have, when they are as separate as can be. Maybe someday I can explain further. |
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Post by Bick on Nov 16, 2021 7:30:37 GMT -8
We've both been around long enough to know that if intelligent people wanted something to be done, it would be done.
Obstacles to building your facilities were overcome, and so can this relatively small hurdle. For God's sake, I just sat thru a Nike commercial before our game that featured Bosco players being shown on a hi-res, college level scoreboard wearing different iterations of helmets and uniforms.
I don't think schools participating in this national tournament would be footing the bill to travel.
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Post by MDDad on Nov 16, 2021 9:28:19 GMT -8
For God's sake, I just sat thru a Nike commercial before our game that featured Bosco players being shown on a hi-res, college level scoreboard wearing different iterations of helmets and uniforms. The St. John Bosco football program is a Nike program. The Mater Dei football program is not. There is a big difference between being a Nike football program, and being a "Nike school." That's why Bosco has a dozen uniform and helmet combinations while Mater Dei and many other "Nike" schools don't. I'm sure that's what you think. But I can tell you that every attempt so far to get ANY corporate financial backing (i.e. ESPN, FOX, Bally, Nike, etc.) to help with travel costs has been met with a cold shoulder. It's convenient to assume that a "national championship tournament" would have those companies falling all over themselves to sponsor or fund it, but there's no evidence that would be the case. |
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Post by davidsf on Nov 16, 2021 10:44:10 GMT -8
... Now go play a f'n national schedule during the playoffs and get a real national championship. You figured out how to make yourselves elite, now figure this part out as well. I promise, there are other schools with like ambitions around the country. Seems to me the only reason for a HS national championship would be to give college recruiters an extra look. It would be a mammoth effort to organize, and isn't that why they have the Blue-Grey All American game in January? |
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Post by Bick on Nov 16, 2021 11:04:17 GMT -8
For God's sake, I just sat thru a Nike commercial before our game that featured Bosco players being shown on a hi-res, college level scoreboard wearing different iterations of helmets and uniforms. The St. John Bosco football program is a Nike program. The Mater Dei football program is not. There is a big difference between being a Nike football program, and being a "Nike school." That's why Bosco has a dozen uniform and helmet combinations while Mater Dei and many other "Nike" schools don't. I'm sure that's what you think. But I can tell you that every attempt so far to get ANY corporate financial backing (i.e. ESPN, FOX, Bally, Nike, etc.) to help with travel costs has been met with a cold shoulder. It's convenient to assume that a "national championship tournament" would have those companies falling all over themselves to sponsor or fund it, but there's no evidence that would be the case. I wasn't aware of any serious effort to do a national HS tournament, let alone corporate refusal to support. My apologies. Can you share who has been spearheading the effort? I'm looking for a project like this, and think it would be a lot of fun to pursue it. Isn't that what old guys do... Give something back? |
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Post by MDDad on Nov 16, 2021 11:49:50 GMT -8
Bick, I apologize, because my statement was ambiguous. I meant that efforts to secure corporate financial assistance for regular season OOS games (i.e. preleague) have almost universally been met with a refusal or a lack of response. There are national high school "game brokers", often associated with streaming services, who have attempted to generate interest and support for what you propose, and they have struck out as well.
And I have to add one other point. Forums like this one often put me in an awkward position. There are many things that are posted here that I know are untrue, whether by accident or intent. I wish I could correct those misperceptions or falsehoods, but my position prevents me from doing so. I'm sorry, but I think my priorities are the right ones. It's why I sometimes wonder if I should participate here at all.
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