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Post by Bick on Jan 2, 2022 8:20:23 GMT -8
MDD - your take on the resignation today? Bick, I'm sorry, but I'm really not at liberty to give you a "take". However, I can say two things: (1) Neither Amanda Waters nor Father Jenkins left the school for the sinister reasons implied by Eric Sondheimer in his tweets today or those speculated by "well-informed" posters on this forum. Sondheimer conveniently neglected to mention that the vast majority of Mater Dei's administrators are from outside the school. (2) I very much hope this affair isn't settled out of court. Only if there's a trial will the real facts of this fiasco come to light, and people like Sondheimer, Scott Reid and Bill Plaschke will be exposed for the ignorant, opportunistic hate-mongers they have been on this matter, repeating the plaintiff's charges as though they were proven facts, for the sole purpose of generating clicks and selling papers. It's interesting that some of us here complain about the mainstream media endlessly offering biased half-truths and fabrications as fact, yet are perfectly willing to accept the same from the three shit "journalists" I mentioned above. My experience with you over the years is that you're a high integrity guy, so your word works for me. I also saw the video and subsequent tweets and articles of the account of it from the writers, and know the headlines didnt accurately portray the event. The timing of the AD leaving, competent or not, was curious, but understandable. But a fairly new principal now leaving, should raise a red flag for any objective person. I don't at all subscribe to the notion that outsiders should have any say in the disposition of the program, players or its staff, but if the detractors are the only ones talking, you lose in the court of public opinion by default. I'm not suggesting you reveal anything given your position there, but it would seem like someone over there should start defending the brand.
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Post by Luca on Jan 2, 2022 12:34:49 GMT -8
…… But the way Jenkins handled himself in public was embarrassing and his actions at the championship game was the nail in his coffin. He really pissed off a lot of people. The only conflict will be for them when they need to write an article after both sides have told their story. To what embarrassing actions do you refer? I would agree that there is a great deal of embarrassment emanating from the school, but I don’t believe it originates from Father Jenkins. I would imagine that any attempt at reorienting the school’s priorities would piss off a lot of people. My recollection is that the assault on the kid outside his home happened over a year ago. There has been plenty of time to hear “both sides“ of the stories.
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Post by MDDad on Jan 2, 2022 13:18:46 GMT -8
To what embarrassing actions do you refer? Luca, my old buddy, that's exactly the point. People who have never met Father Jenkins and have very little knowledge about the facts are making assumptions, jumping to conclusions, and demanding that heads should roll. It's unfortunate that determining the truth from the assertions and administering justice are rarely immediate, but it doesn't justify skipping all the intermediate steps and jumping right to sentencing and execution. That's correct, in fact it was two years ago. All three kids were at a party where there was booze, drank too much and got into a fight. I know it's hard to imagine teenagers doing that, but it happens, and if that constitutes "assault", then most of us should probably have served some time in jail. And in the interest of reporting facts that the mainstream and social media would prefer to keep hidden, the young man who suffered the "traumatic brain injury" in February not only played in the spring and fall seasons this year, but last week was invited by FBU (Football University) to participate in its nationally prestigious Top Gun Showcase in Naples, FL. That almost seems like a miraculous recovery.
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Post by Luca on Jan 2, 2022 17:19:21 GMT -8
The issue is not just two recent episodes. It is a continuum of changes that started in the 1980s. My perspective on parochial school athletics goes back quite a ways. I don’t follow basketball so I don’t know when the “McKnight model” was instituted, but beginning in the 80s or 90s it became common for kids to transfer into MD for basketball. That "dynasty" has continued ever since to the point that Trinity League basketball is not competitive and in fact over time no school in Orange County or LA County is very competitive versus the dynasty. It’s so routine now that nobody even pays notice when the program hauls in another transfer or a freshman from Barbados or God knows where, sorta like nobody notices the recurring headline that "Brittney Spears Disrobes for Camera" any longer.
Mater Dei traditionally had a strong football program, especially in the 60s and to some degree into the 70s but then became just better-than-average until Rollinson took over around 1990. First I recall the Sparks cousins fiasco and then almost every year it seemed there would be 1 or 2 impact players transferring into the football team. But although MD was an outlier in this regard the volume was not out of control, just enough to stay under the radar. Then from 2000 until around 214 or so MD didn’t win a CIF championship although Santa Margarita, Servite and Orange Lutheran did (this is sometimes referred to as “competition”). When Negro took over at Bosco the flood gates opened at that school and within a year or two MD followed suit and now suddenly no other Trinity team other than than Bosco can come within roughly 30 points of them on average. They have not lost a game to any local school other than Bosco since then and they’re now having trouble scheduling local games for obvious reasons. I may be mistaken (I don’t follow HSFB so closely any longer) but I seem to recall that there were about 11 kids who made either first or second team all County and at least 8 senior D1 players, to say nothing of the underclassman. And they have a "director of player personnel" whose activities we both are familiar with.
This is not the purpose of either parochial or CIF athletics and we both know this. We are old buddies. You and I used to be on the same page back in 1999 when I started posting about HSFB. You were as indignant a critic of Mission Viejo/Bob Johnson and its tactics/transfers as anyone. But it seems that every time MD itself took one more step towards the dark side you found a reason to justify, if not deny it.
Whether someone is drunk or not - a kid or not - a trio jumping someone else and beating the crap out of him is an assault by definition. It was pretty obvious that the kid who suffered the "traumatic brain injury" did not have any serious neurologic trauma. “TBI” is a very loose term and encompasses everything from minor to severe injury. But that is not remotely the point and whether or not the kid participated in a "nationally prestigious showcase" or not, that type of activity should have been eliminated by the coaching staff. Parents have a right to expect that a school and its coaches will stamp out this type of behavior and not cover it up.
When you open up the admissions on the basis of athletic prowess rather than character or religion you are going to wind up with a certain number of kids who do not behave or belong in the parochial environment. "Environment", by the way, is why parents such such as myself paid large sums of money to place our kids in these schools. What has happened at MD was predictable and the process started years ago. There is an old saying that "No single raindrops believes it is responsible for the flood" so it’s not clear at what point the pursuit of victory at the expense of tradition and ethics became a flood, but it is time to make changes, good buddy…………………………Luca
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Post by SK80 on Jan 2, 2022 18:56:18 GMT -8
The problem is Luca that any changes at this level could be catastrophic to the brand. My historic impression of parachial schools was God first, then great education. It would take much convincing for me to believe from what I have seen that many of the talents brought in or offered in from afar put God and Education above sport. That said, I am somewhat at peace with that now, I am fine if sport is all and Almighty to anyone. It's just the denial by those around the program that it is not that, not that at MD. Look, tradition in America as a whole is waning, we have all argued for decades about where HSF was going and where it has arrived. Give me any day our kids from the block vs your kids from down the block. At CDM we still have that, it makes me happy. And if we have to get knocked out year after year by a OLU, Grace Brethren or Sierra Canyon so be it.
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Post by Luca on Jan 2, 2022 20:29:01 GMT -8
The problem, SK, is that even if you are fine with a particular school’s placement of priorities it destroys the chances of other kids who are compelled to play against them on a ridiculously uneven playing field. Public schools can walk away and say “Play in your own fornicating sandbox with the other IMG’s, but do it without us.” I can see that point.
But the other parochial are screwed because of the rules (or, more correctly, the absence of rules) adopted by the club teams. It is beyond me why some adults are so obsessed with winning high school games that they’d go to such lengths.
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Post by Credo on Jan 3, 2022 14:44:25 GMT -8
Look, I'm willing to concede there's more to these stories than the tweets and headlines imply--and those details could very well be to the benefit--or the detriment--of Mater Dei. That being said: - Having been a faculty member of a couple of high schools over the past 16 years, there's no way Jenkins' departure is just a coincidence. After conducting a nationwide search and bringing in an outside President to arguably the most high-profile Catholic high school in the nation, there's no way he was just "called back to his order" after six months on the job. Couple that with the A.D.'s early departure and there's something rotten in Denmark.
- Even if the various incidents are not as lurid as has been portrayed by some in the media, they indicate behavior and "culture" issues associated with the football program that cannot be ignored. The reaction, though, of some MD boosters, which amounts to little more than "nothing to see here" and "Sondheimer is just out to get us" are indicative of why these kinds of problems happened in the first place. I have yet to see one single acknowledgement from the MD side that anything untoward or inappropriate happened at all in either incident.
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Post by MDDad on Jan 3, 2022 15:58:31 GMT -8
I will happily stipulate that something "untoward or inappropriate happened in either incident." Now what?
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Post by SK80 on Jan 7, 2022 16:20:52 GMT -8
I will happily stipulate that something "untoward or inappropriate happened in either incident." Now what? Can't write a better script.....
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Post by Credo on Jan 7, 2022 20:16:30 GMT -8
I really like Mike Brennan (he hired me at Servite) but this feels like my Dad leaving my Mom to marry another woman.
Now they're stealing our administrators.
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Post by ProfessorFate on Feb 14, 2022 21:47:09 GMT -8
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Post by ProfessorFate on Feb 14, 2022 21:59:28 GMT -8
I guess Sondheimer was referring to this.
Not a good look for Mater Dei. A cover-up is always worse than what it's covering up.
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Post by SK80 on Feb 15, 2022 6:52:55 GMT -8
always, even if what is being covered up is a huge mistake, offense, f*ck up whatever. Just own it, the or a "cover-up' is blatant in the sense of knowledge and purposeful deceit, making it no longer just a mistake, offense or f*ck up.
i'm not saying it is or isn't in this particular case, wasn't there, not on the inside, just an observer.
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Post by Luca on Feb 15, 2022 7:29:49 GMT -8
This is odd, to put it diplomatically. If the school has been telling everyone to reserve judgment and wait until "the truth" comes out, why try to suppress the deposition of an AD who was in a position of authority when at least one of the incidents occurred? If the school and the athletic department are blameless, one would think that the input of the AD at the time would be valuable to serve their purpose.
If the school responds at all to questions regarding this (and they won't as they will adopt the time honored dodge that "We are not allowed to speak on the record regarding a legal proceeding in process"), I can see two lines of defense:
1).This is just typical lawyer wrangling and has nothing (nothing, I say) to do with suppression of the facts, and/or,
2). The former AD holds animus towards the school and would give flawed and disingenuous testimony that is irrelevant to the matter at hand.
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Post by Bick on Feb 15, 2022 7:30:16 GMT -8
What did the article say? I don't subscribe any longer.
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