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Post by Bick on Jul 15, 2024 13:43:08 GMT -8
Just so we are all clear, this 20 yr old shooter was able to climb with a rifle up a ladder onto the roof of a building 150 yds away in broad daylight... and no one but folks in the crowd below noticed?
But he was a registered Republican and acted alone so the conclusion is that Republicans hate Trump also. Got it.
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Post by Luca on Jul 15, 2024 14:34:52 GMT -8
That is pathetic beyond belief. Right after the shots were fired all you heard on TV was praise for the rapid response from the Secret Service and such professionalism and "working in close cooperation with local authorities", etc, etc. (You do have to give credit to the responders who shielded Trump.)
A 20-year-old kid with daddy's AR-15 who obviously hasn't the slightest familiarity with concealment gets within 150 yards or less and everyone sees him except the people who are supposed to be looking for him. That was not a hard shot, either. My son trained on a very similar M-16 at Benning and with no previous experience shooting weapons could put every shot into a target the size of a fist at 100 meters. When I told him that sounded pretty impressive he said no, other guys could do it at 300 meters. And why the hell is it that nobody who saw this kid with a rifle went after him? F'ing disgraceful.
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Post by MDDad on Jul 15, 2024 14:40:35 GMT -8
But he was a registered Republican... Yes, but it was revealed today thay he made at least two recent donations, to a Democratic super PAC and another Democratic fundraising entity.
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Post by Bick on Jul 15, 2024 14:55:32 GMT -8
I was joking on the registered Republican bit. Got some geniuses out there saying he voted Republican in the 2020 election... You know, as a 16 year old.
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Post by MDDad on Jul 15, 2024 14:59:49 GMT -8
Third, years back, MDDad was astonished that some of us thought another US Civil War was a possibility. No disrespect for his opinion, it seemed genuine & thought out. My question for MDDad is, had the bullet not missed the rest of Trumps head and the world saw an assassination live in 4K, do you still believe that another US Civil War would not be happening right now? I still believe that another U.S. civil war is only a very remote possibiity, just not quite as remote as it was 18 to 24 months ago. A civil war implies there are thousands of adherents on both sides morally and emotionally commited to their causes and positions, to the point of being willling to die for them. While American conservatives have proven for two and half centuries that they are willilng to fight and die for the American principles that made this nation what it is, I don't believe that is true of the radical left. In short, I don't believe that they actually believe what they espouse. As a friend of mine said, their convictions are a hundred miles wide and a quarter inch deep. Much of the looney left is young women. Do you think they will pick up rifles and fight to the death for their "cause" when they see blood and guts flying all around them? No, they would cut and run within a couple hours. And who would pick up the slack? Would George Clooney pick up a rifle and go off to fight the good fight? Would Robert DeNiro? Or Whoopi Goldberg? Or what about AOC? No, as a movement, they are a group of naive, poorly informed children who believe themselves to be intellectuals and who will scream until their lungs give out that they are right about everything and we must convert to their beliefs. But if push comes to shove and blood starts to be shed, I can't see that they would ever muster the resolve and the gumption to actually fight for those beliefs.
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Post by MDDad on Jul 15, 2024 15:08:50 GMT -8
MDDad, why would you be concerned about commentary on TOB? There is a reason why we don't contribute there any longer. As they say, " Consider the source." I'm certainly not concerned about their commentary, but I still post sometimes on the high school football side over there and skip over to the wacky political side strictly to be amused by it. I believe every heterosexual man in America has at some point found an old carton of milk way in the back of the refrigerator. And even knowing it has gone bad weeks ago, he can't help but open the top and take a sniff, and immediately regretting he did so. Politically and socially, TOB is my old carton of curdled milk.
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Post by SK80 on Jul 15, 2024 15:30:04 GMT -8
MDDad, they could enlist Alec Baldwin, he knows how to shoot a gun, kinda.
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Post by SK80 on Jul 15, 2024 15:32:05 GMT -8
Bick, Crooks donated money to ActBlue a progressive super pac after the Biden inauguration. He then like many young lemmings followed those groups that encouraged liberals in closed primary states to register Republic to effect the outcome of those primaries, either voting for Trump when they thought he was beatable, or to vote for his opponents in states where it may be close.
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Post by Bick on Jul 15, 2024 16:14:38 GMT -8
Bick, Crooks donated money to ActBlue a progressive super pac after the Biden inauguration. He then like many young lemmings followed those groups that encouraged liberals in closed primary states to register Republic to effect the outcome of those primaries, either voting for Trump when they thought he was beatable, or to vote for his opponents in states where it may be close. Are we to believe a 16 year old made a political contribution? With what... his allowance? I really do live in an alternate reality if that's truly the case.
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Post by RSM789 on Jul 15, 2024 18:10:07 GMT -8
Third, years back, MDDad was astonished that some of us thought another US Civil War was a possibility. No disrespect for his opinion, it seemed genuine & thought out. My question for MDDad is, had the bullet not missed the rest of Trumps head and the world saw an assassination live in 4K, do you still believe that another US Civil War would not be happening right now? I still believe that another U.S. civil war is only a very remote possibiity, just not quite as remote as it was 18 to 24 months ago... I agree with your sentiments about the lefts commitment & ability, and as I ponder the old conversation as well as this, I think we may be using the wrong term. We all grew up with the idea of a Civil War being two equally committed sides fighting for control of a nation. In our current situation, maybe it would be more accurate to call it an overthrow of the government. It would have to be at a time when the left has the presidency, is abusing power and is gaslighting the nation. Well, that gets a checkmark right now. The spark to start a fire was what nearly happened on Saturday, the assassination of a figure who was poised to legally & lawfully wrest control from those in power. In that scenario, it wouldn't be two armies fighting it out on the Homeland, rather multiple groups of citizens, organized into militias, descending upon the capital to oust the current regime. The left believes that they would then order the military to defend them. What I believe they are missing is that like the country, the military is not a homogenous assembly of group-thinkers. While some soldiers would follow orders and use their weapons & training to defend the existing regime, an equal or larger amount of the military would most likely refuse to take up arms against their own citizens. Some of those would most likely confiscate military weapons & vehicles and end up on the side trying to oust those in power. Meanwhile, much of the rest of the nation would try to go on with their lives. Those trying to overthrow the capital have no beef with their fellow citizens and those in power gain nothing by turning more of the citizenry against them. Even though Martial Law would most likely be instituted, the fight would be focused at the capital, with each state doing whatever it would need to do to try to stay out of it & protect its citizens. It would be a mess like we have never seen before and we were literally inches away on Saturday from it starting.
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Post by Bick on Jul 15, 2024 20:24:16 GMT -8
That is pathetic beyond belief. Right after the shots were fired all you heard on TV was praise for the rapid response from the Secret Service and such professionalism and "working in close cooperation with local authorities", etc, etc. (You do have to give credit to the responders who shielded Trump.) A 20-year-old kid with daddy's AR-15 who obviously hasn't the slightest familiarity with concealment gets within 150 yards or less and everyone sees him except the people who are supposed to be looking for him. That was not a hard shot, either. My son trained on a very similar M-16 at Benning and with no previous experience shooting weapons could put every shot into a target the size of a fist at 100 meters. When I told him that sounded pretty impressive he said no, other guys could do it at 300 meters. And why the hell is it that nobody who saw this kid with a rifle went after him? F'ing disgraceful. Wow...this is getting better. Local PD photoed the guy 26 minutes before the shooting, and then again when he was on the roof.
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Post by SK80 on Jul 15, 2024 21:28:33 GMT -8
Complete amateur hour is starting to trend....
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Post by MDDad on Jul 15, 2024 21:41:02 GMT -8
MDDad, they could enlist Alec Baldwin, he knows how to shoot a gun, kinda. Yes they could. But as soon as he accidentally shot Maxine Waters or Ilhan Omar, he'd be out on his ass again.
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Post by MDDad on Jul 15, 2024 21:44:52 GMT -8
I agree with your sentiments about the lefts commitment & ability, and as I ponder the old conversation as well as this, I think we may be using the wrong term. We all grew up with the idea of a Civil War being two equally committed sides fighting for control of a nation. In our current situation, maybe it would be more accurate to call it an overthrow of the government. Regardless of whether or not it's just a matter of semantics, the same reality holds true: Conservative are willing to fight and die for the values they hold dear. Liberals are only willing to scream, complain and insult when they are confronted. A fight between the two, in whatever numbers, would be an embarrassing mismatch.
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Post by billb on Jul 16, 2024 10:14:08 GMT -8
Yah, at least the SS is working on diversity, according to their chief, not on merit.
Jesus is not on the ballot. IMO, this has been a wake up call. Everyone saw a potential of another dark four years of war, bad economic conditions, and a world based of diversity, not merit. Trump may not be perfect, but this weekend was a wakeup call: "It could even get worse."
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