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Post by SK80 on Aug 9, 2020 7:43:20 GMT -8
If Congress moves now to meet somewhere in the middle it is because of this CHESS move... reducing the benefit of $600 to $400 is also going to make the incentive to sit things out less appealing... I know many people facing this issue/question right now. Can't believe MDDad is standing behind SITTING rather than STANDING tall...?
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Post by MDDad on Aug 9, 2020 7:53:48 GMT -8
Can't believe MDDad is standing behind SITTING rather than STANDING tall...? Please get a grip. |
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Post by Bick on Aug 9, 2020 7:56:09 GMT -8
Yes, but a 7.5% raise for people who are working does nothing for those who have lost their jobs or been furloughed. The $600 / week deal provided a greater incentive to stay home in a lot of cases. We couldn't get people to come back to work. Payroll tax holiday gets closer, but maybe some type of payroll offset for employers would be better? One thing for certain, if businesses aren't allowed to open back up at without constraints, and soon, we're in for a real tough haul getting back to normal. |
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Post by davidsf on Aug 9, 2020 8:19:52 GMT -8
Getting back to the topic,
I disagreed with Obama’s use of the executive order (I was not tuned into it before he made a big deal about his “pencil and telephone”) and I disagree with Trumps use of it here. Maybe his hearts in the right place and obviously there are people who need it, but bypassing Congress is not how the Constitution allows it to get done... and FTR, the Comstitution doesn’t give a rat’s keester that Nancy Pelosi’s mind has been eaten away by hatred.
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Post by MDDad on Aug 9, 2020 8:26:23 GMT -8
Dave, I agree completely. Legislating by executive decree is a very dangerous path to start down. Look at what has happened in California where Gavin Newsom does so almost every day.
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Post by davidsf on Aug 9, 2020 8:33:59 GMT -8
Dave, I agree completely. Legislating by executive decree is a very dangerous path to start down. Look at what has happened in California where Gavin Newsom does so almost every day. That’s a good point. Our Rotundary, J.B. Pritzker is doing the same thing. but, Prickster does have a court judgement against him continuing to do so and, now, that judge is commanding his appearance in court (again) to show cause why he should not be held in contempt... so this could get interesting. |
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Post by SK80 on Aug 9, 2020 9:13:20 GMT -8
Yes, but a 7.5% raise for people who are working does nothing for those who have lost their jobs or been furloughed. The $600 / week deal provided a greater incentive to stay home in a lot of cases. We couldn't get people to come back to work. Payroll tax holiday gets closer, but maybe some type of payroll offset for employers would be better? One thing for certain, if businesses aren't allowed to open back up at without constraints, and soon, we're in for a real tough haul getting back to normal.Did someone say "..back to normal"? I believe what was the "norm" will not be the "norm" on many fronts. For good or for bad...... |
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Post by SK80 on Aug 9, 2020 9:16:03 GMT -8
Dave, I agree completely. Legislating by executive decree is a very dangerous path to start down. Look at what has happened in California where Gavin Newsom does so almost every day. Agree, it should be used in emergency and expediency cases or extremes...., it is being used more and more as a way to circumvent Congress whether it be their ineptness or to avoid using the the powers granted to come to a deal, compromise, solution for the people these Congresses represent. Obama used this extensively and ultimately by not being passed but executed it hangs out there to be undone by the next wave of elected officials. |
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Post by thefrog on Aug 9, 2020 12:40:38 GMT -8
Youngstown v. Sawyer, 343 U.S. 579 (June 2, 1952)
Youngstown looked at the limitations of presidential power and came up with the following test:
The Jackson Test
Congressional Approval - He acts with express/implied authority of Congress, his actions are valid
Congressional Silence - He can act if he does not take over the powers of another branch or prevent another branch from carrying out its tasks (executive must rely on his own individual powers)
Congressional Disapproval - If he acts against the express will of Congress, his actions are invalid
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