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Post by Bick on Apr 23, 2023 19:42:13 GMT -8
I think a few of you here are US history buffs, so I thought this might be an interesting place to chat about how we got here, and some of the key decisions that changed our trajectory over the past nearly 250 years.
One of the things I was disappointed to hear was how middle and HS kids view us as a country. There seems to be such a huge gap in appreciating where we are despite all our growing warts.
One of my friends here teaches HS history, and thinks the amount taught is sufficient. Of all the things that needs to be taught, I'm thinking history and government is way underexposed, and should be taught every year.
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Post by billb on Apr 23, 2023 22:28:34 GMT -8
place to chat about how we got here,
IMO, the WOKE crap is a commy plot. Really, I can't imagine these people, smart people sometimes, can believe this stuff. Do they feel guilty? White guilt? The American Communist party published a manifesto back in the 60s outlining their plan. It included indoctrinating kids in schools, dividing people according to race, etc.
It is either communism or corporate fascism.
I think it has to start in the schools. It is a generational project to get the US back on track.
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Post by Bick on Apr 24, 2023 6:30:37 GMT -8
Whether it's good or bad is subjective. Despite the warts, I'm pretty sure most of us here would choose this country over all others today.
There are different points along the way that have changed our thinking. “Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free” was what we used to hang our hat on, and what I think may have been one of the most significant mantras that spurred our growth as a nation. Somewhere along the line, we became a welfare state for some, and that's become a point of contention for others.
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Post by SK80 on Apr 24, 2023 7:03:11 GMT -8
The fact that in such a short period of time they out of this country has been taught, told, made to believe that most of our history we were a bad, oppressive people who brought ilk to others. Others is code for anyone of non Europen (White) decent. I read again yesterday a statue is San Jose, Ca. was taken down of two men who were instrumental in making California a state. Why? Because they destroyed an indigenous country. White founding men bad, everyone else once good.
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Post by billb on Apr 24, 2023 7:56:04 GMT -8
Yes Bick, were a great country. I think the Constitution made us great. We are going downhill fast because judges and people dismiss it.
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Post by MDDad on Apr 25, 2023 9:27:49 GMT -8
There are different points along the way that have changed our thinking. “Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free” was what we used to hang our hat on, and what I think may have been one of the most significant mantras that spurred our growth as a nation. Somewhere along the line, we became a welfare state for some, and that's become a point of contention for others. The problem is that somewhere along the line, the expectations of those tired, poo,r huddled masses, and the way we view them, has changed. For generations, those masses came to America knowning that if they worked their asses off, they had an opportunity for a much better life than what they left at home. If they didn't, they would live in the same poverty and misery that they were trying to leave. That is no longer the case. Today those same masses come to America knowing there is a social support system that will almost immediately provide with what we might call a lower middle class life. And it is American citizens who pay for it. That is a total 180 from what immigrants used to believe and receive, and it is not a change for the better. |
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Post by MDDad on Apr 25, 2023 9:46:06 GMT -8
I think a few of you here are US history buffs, so I thought this might be an interesting place to chat about how we got here, and some of the key decisions that changed our trajectory over the past nearly 250 years. One of the things I was disappointed to hear was how middle and HS kids view us as a country. There seems to be such a huge gap in appreciating where we are despite all our growing warts. One of my friends here teaches HS history, and thinks the amount taught is sufficient. Of all the things that needs to be taught, I'm thinking history and government is way underexposed, and should be taught every year. I am a history buff, and got one undergraduate degree in history, and my conclusions are: In all of human history, there have been very few bloodless revolutions. But American liberals are very close to achieving one because they were willing to take baby steps on the long road of their agenda. It's like the old analogy of putting a frog into a pot of lukewarm water and slowly heating it up to a boil. Beginning in the 1960's, they began to subvert and brainwash our children into their way of thinking while we looked the other way. Sometimes you just have to tip your hat to the team that's kicking your ass, and that's what they are doing. We can talk all we want about "taking the country back", but the reality is that those who want to take it back are slowly aging and fading away, while the naive liberal clones cranked out by our education system continue to increase. I fear the war may almost be over simply because of the mathematics of aging. What is even more disheartening is that insanity often becomes more and more severe when left unchecked, and I think that's what we see happening now. Who would have tought even 15 years ago that transgenderism, drag shows in grade school, and the sexual mutilation of minors without parental knowledge or consent would have such widespread support? There are already new initiatives being offered to decriminalize all sexual activities, including sex with children. San Francisco is considering a reparations package that includes %5 miilion in cash, a $97,000 guaranteed income for 250 years, the elimination of all personal debt, and the right to purchase a home for $1 for descendants of slaves. And this is a city in a non-slave state. What may come next boggles the imagination. I know there are some here who will scoff at my pessimism. But the reality of the math, and the continued unwillingness of conservatives to fight back against a total dismantling not only of our society but also of our value systems, says I may be right. |
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Post by SK80 on Apr 25, 2023 15:03:00 GMT -8
As long as the right keeps believing they are taking the "high ground" on every issue and aspect of life they will continue to be disappointed in the direction of the country. The other side is winning, they are winning by being most vocal, louder than their counterparts even when completely wrong or void of fact on issues and more so the stick together however wrong they may be, they know Biden is a bad candidate, a demented old man incapable of much yet they are having a koom by yah moment today as he has announced his candidacy for 2024.
Here, we have a small community of Libertarians to Conservatives who would probably do battle tooth and nail over whom the candidate should or shall be. And those whom do not get their guy (gal) will pick up their loser toys and go home unlike the opposition with their guy. So keep taking the "high ground" see how much longer you can before the deep waters of reality set in and all things past and present are washed away.
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Post by MDDad on Apr 25, 2023 15:43:40 GMT -8
I'm not sure I fully understand what you mean by the "high ground".
Yes, when it comes to moral superiority, I think we certainly hold the high ground. Believing that children shouldn't have their breasts and genitals removed before they can comprehend what it means, believing that killing unborn babies is evil, and believing that a person's skin color should not be all that determines his worth is a superior position that I'd defend forever.
But when it comes to fighting for our beliefs, continuing on when faced with obstacles or defeat and being passionate and vocal about our values, we've yielded the high ground to the left. It's unfortunate, but they have it all over us when it comes to heart, whether it's real or phony.
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Post by billb on Apr 25, 2023 16:33:34 GMT -8
What history are you most interested in MD? US, Classical, Ancient, Egyptian, Greek, or just general?
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Post by nictoe on Apr 25, 2023 16:42:51 GMT -8
The definitive history of the US :
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Post by nictoe on Apr 25, 2023 16:47:28 GMT -8
And my all time favorite:
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Post by Bick on Apr 25, 2023 17:41:56 GMT -8
SF is really an outlier to the FAR left.
If their citizens are good with pissing their dough away, who are we to slow them down? The more that stuff shows up, the better. If that state wants to allow mutilating kids, maybe more of them can all go live there. Soft on crime, etc.
If we're really a Republic, shouldn't they be allowed to live as they see fit?
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Post by MDDad on Apr 25, 2023 17:57:32 GMT -8
What history are you most interested in MD? US, Classical, Ancient, Egyptian, Greek, or just general? American history, with an emphasis on the Civil War, and a special interest in the Confederacy. That's why it was always so amusing when Vilepagan would challenge me on what I knew about people like Robert E. Lee and pretend that he knew more. It was like debating a frog that was good at googling. |
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Post by MDDad on Apr 25, 2023 17:59:31 GMT -8
SF is really an outlier to the FAR left. If their citizens are good with pissing their dough away, who are we to slow them down? The more that stuff shows up, the better. If that state wants to allow mutilating kids, maybe more of them can all go live there. Soft on crime, etc. If we're really a Republic, shouldn't they be allowed to live as they see fit? What is SF? |
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