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Post by MDDad on Apr 30, 2019 13:10:10 GMT -8
I can't remember the number of times the usual suspects on TOB referred to Christians as believing in "myths" and "fairy tales", as though Christians are some more primitive form of homo sapiens than they themselves. It should be pointed out that although liberals use the "believing in myths and fairy tales" insult regularly when talking about Christians, I don't recall even one time when they have said the same about Muslims, even though the two religions share much of their theology. And there is never any inclination to imply that Muslims are lower on the evolutionary scale than themselves. Just another example of the phoniness and hypocrisy of the left. |
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Post by tarmac on Apr 30, 2019 14:14:41 GMT -8
The democrats live by the god of their flesh. Romans 8: 1-17. 8 Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, 2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in the flesh, 4 in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
5 Those who live according to the flesh have their minds set on what the flesh desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires. 6 The mind governed by the flesh is death, but the mind governed by the Spirit is life and peace. 7 The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. 8 Those who are in the realm of the flesh cannot please God.
9 You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ. 10 But if Christ is in you, then even though your body is subject to death because of sin, the Spirit gives life because of righteousness. 11 And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of[e] his Spirit who lives in you.
12 Therefore, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation—but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. 13 For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live.
14 For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God. 15 The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your adoption to sonship. And by him we cry, “Abba, Father.” 16 The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children. 17 Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.
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Post by Credo on Apr 30, 2019 16:07:36 GMT -8
I can't remember the number of times the usual suspects on TOB referred to Christians as believing in "myths" and "fairy tales", as though Christians are some more primitive form of homo sapiens than they themselves. It should be pointed out that although liberals use the "believing in myths and fairy tales" insult regularly when talking about Christians, I don't recall even one time when they have said the same about Muslims, even though the two religions share much of their theology. And there is never any inclination to imply that Muslims are lower on the evolutionary scale than themselves. Just another example of the phoniness and hypocrisy of the left. I've pointed out this same exact observation to others, which I believe is rooted in the following: - The enemy of my enemy is my friend. To the extent that liberals perceive Islam as the foe of Christianity (which is partly true), they will support it; the same principle partly explains their support for literally insane ideas like transgenderism. If something is likely to irritate Christians, you can almost guarantee it will have the support of the Left.
- Islam fits in to their Intersectional Hierarchy of Victimization, in the which various groups classified by gender, race, ethnicity, sexual preference, and religion seek privileges based on how badly they imagine that have been historically oppressed by straight, white, Christian men.
- Virtue-signaling their enlightened devotion to "diversity" and "multiculturalism", conveniently overlooking the fact that they would be genuinely horrified to actually live in a country that was not run by white liberals.
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Post by Bick on May 1, 2019 7:49:14 GMT -8
- The enemy of my enemy is my friend. To the extent that liberals perceive Islam as the foe of Christianity (which is partly true), they will support it; the same principle partly explains their support for literally insane ideas like transgenderism. If something is likely to irritate Christians, you can almost guarantee it will have the support of the Left.
- Islam fits in to their Intersectional Hierarchy of Victimization, in the which various groups classified by gender, race, ethnicity, sexual preference, and religion seek privileges based on how badly they imagine that have been historically oppressed by straight, white, Christian men.
- Virtue-signaling their enlightened devotion to "diversity" and "multiculturalism", conveniently overlooking the fact that they would be genuinely horrified to actually live in a country that was not run by white liberals.
Do you guys think this is a conscious choice with the knowledge of the full ramifications by the leaders of the party? |
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Post by MDDad on May 1, 2019 7:59:10 GMT -8
I think almost all choices are conscious. But I think this is merely a natural result of liberals' feelings of superiority...and guilt. Whether they want to admit it or not, it was primarily "straight, white, Christian men" who built this nation into the greatest experiment in liberty, freedom and opportunity the world has ever known. And for that accomplishment, they feel those same straight, white, Christian men should feel obliged to apologize (and perhaps to pay reparations) to blacks, Hispanics, Asians, women, homosexuals, transgenders (whatever that means) and every non-Christian believer on the planet.
To me, that seems like a truly bizarre form of logic.
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Post by Bick on May 1, 2019 8:21:55 GMT -8
The odd part is that 78% of the democratic members of congress are considered Christian.
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Post by MDDad on May 1, 2019 8:39:12 GMT -8
As if we needed one more example of liberal hypocrisy.
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Post by tarmac on May 1, 2019 8:57:01 GMT -8
The odd part is that 78% of the democratic members of congress are considered Christian. Maybe a CEO Christian. Christmas, Easter only. Do they read their bible everyday? Do they belong to a bible study? Do they worship at a church every Sunday? Do they pray everyday? Sorry it takes more than a Christmas tree and Easter brunch at the country club to be a Christian. |
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Post by Bick on May 1, 2019 10:15:58 GMT -8
I don't do any of that, but still consider myself a Christian. Am I a hypocrite too?
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Post by tarmac on May 1, 2019 12:53:54 GMT -8
Then what makes you a Christian? Do you believe God in human form came to earth to live with us and was beaten and killed so all of our sin will be forgiven is someone you worship only twice a year?
How do you know what God wants from you if you don't read His word?
Read Romans 12 Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God—this is your true and proper worship. 2 Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will.
My Christian bar is very high and I don't reach it most of the time.
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Post by MDDad on May 1, 2019 14:11:55 GMT -8
Tarmac, you do indeed set a very high bar. Of the 2.4 billion Christians in the world, maybe only a couple hundred thousand would pass your litmus test.
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Post by RSM789 on May 1, 2019 15:57:30 GMT -8
Most politicians on the left call themselves Christians not because of faith, but to get votes. Obama wasn't Christian, I doubt he was a believer in any faith, he lacked the humility that true believers have. Biden isn't Catholic, if he was he would be pro-life. He might attend a Catholic church, have a cross hanging in his house and pretend to pray before meals, but if his heart believed the Catholic faith, there is no way he could support abortion.
My uncle, a very faith filled Catholic man, used to say most parishioners were buffet Catholics. They would pick & choose from the various tenants of Catholicism, only adhering to those things they thought mattered. If you are to be truly Roman Catholic, then you don't make the rules, you attempt to follow the rules as they are laid out. If you want to invent some offshoot of Catholicism, go for it, more power to you, just don't call it Catholicism. You don't get to have a special set of rules that only apply to you and still be considered part of the club.
Some famous golfer (Bobby Jones?) played 18 holes with a guy who would occasionally improve his lie, take a couple of mulligans and call some short putts gimme's. Afterwards, the guy asked Jones what he thought of his golf game, to which Jones replied "I don't know what game it is that you just played, but it wasn't golf".
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Post by ProfessorFate on May 1, 2019 15:59:37 GMT -8
Tarmac, you do indeed set a very high bar. Of the 2.4 billion Christians in the world, maybe only a couple hundred thousand would pass your litmus test. Not even that many, probably. Domine, non sum dignus, ut intres sub tectum meum, sed tantum dic verbo, et sanabitur anima mea. |
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Post by Luca on May 1, 2019 16:46:38 GMT -8
I remember, MDDad, an argument I got into with Fordama on TOB probably 10 years ago about cosmology, the origin of the universe.
Fordama typifies your description above more than anybody I have ever spoken to. As you recall, he does not so much state an opinion as regally inform us all of The Truth, which we can either accept or be cast out amongst the uninformed masses.
He is an adamant atheist, a group which alternately annoys and amuses me no end since nobody can prove for certain one way or the other. So he carried on regarding the "myths and fairy tales" you referenced that he insisted were a necessary component of any belief in the existence of God. I pointed out to him the obvious: that religion and theism are two different entities, and that if there is not a God then the entire universe must have come together on its own somehow, and I asked him how that was any more logical a belief.
He denied that such a conclusion was inherent in being a militant atheist. WTF, I told him, it’s got to be one or the other: Either there was an intelligent cause behind the existence of the universe or there was not, meaning the universe exists and came into being and (for example) generated the human central nervous system on its own. It still amazes me that he denied that it was either/or. Arrogance fortified by contempt............................Luca
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Post by Bick on May 1, 2019 17:52:34 GMT -8
Then what makes you a Christian? Do you believe God in human form came to earth to live with us and was beaten and killed so all of our sin will be forgiven is someone you worship only twice a year? How do you know what God wants from you if you don't read His word? 1. I believe in God 2. I believe in worshipping God 365 days by the life I lead. 3. That's between me and God. |
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