RSM789
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Post by RSM789 on Nov 6, 2024 15:58:32 GMT -8
I bounced between different stations last night as it was becoming evident that Trump was going to win, I wanted to see what the libs were going to say. More than a few commentators on CNN & MSNBC disregarded Trumps win as nothing more than proof of how racist & sexist the American people are. Looking at the popular vote numbers tells a different story.
In 2020, Biden beat Trump in the popular vote total 80 million to 74 million. Yesterday, Trump dropped slightly to 72 million votes while Harris plummeted down to 67 million. This shows that if indeed sexism & racism were reasons why people didn't vote for Harris, those guilty of that accusation were Democrats. Trump got less votes, so the concept that people who voted for Biden in 2020 then voted for Trump doesn't fly. The people who specifically didn't vote for Harris, didn't vote at all & they were Biden supporters in 2020.
Of course, there could be another reason for this drop in votes, a reason that would show that Democrats aren't actually the racist, sexist folk that they blame every one else of being. The one out those Dems have is if it could be shown that those 2020 vote totals were reached via cheating. Maybe Biden really only received 60 something million votes, the rest were discarded ballots that had originally been distributed to everyone with a pulse. That would explain the drop in votes without casting the racist, sexist noose around the neck of the Dems.
So, which is it Dems, are you the true deplorables or are you just cheaters?
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billb
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Post by billb on Nov 6, 2024 19:04:35 GMT -8
Interesting stats. My takeaway is that when you cheat, you don't just put you guys ballots in, you put both ballots in the pot, but not as many for your opponent. I am surprised fewer votes were cast this time, but that is the only reason I can think of. Poll watchers were more vigilant and they could stuff the ballots as much. Biden got more votes than Obama, but Kamala couldn't get that many.
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Luca
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Post by Luca on Nov 6, 2024 19:08:21 GMT -8
I did the same thing, RSM. What I saw from the beginning was more enthusiasm in a conservative outlet like Fox than I did in CNN or MSNBC. The latter two seemed more somber as though they sensed what was coming. I even found a “The Young Turks” site on the Internet, and they were pretty reserved and meek. Nothing like the legendary 2016 election meltdown bathos they had, which is forever preserved on YouTube.
But you didn't have to watch TV last night to see the excuses and the alibis being proffered. All you have to do is wander over to TOB and listen to the wailing and gnashing of teeth. It turns out that Trump is a miserable human being who simply animated the worst impulses of Republican and independent voters, the majority of American voters simply aren't very bright (certainly not as bright as the TOB denizens), and while college educated people like themselves are brighter there aren't enough of them to outnumber the MAGA maggots, and Trump is a miserable human being, and the majority of American voters aren't very bright, etc, etc.
You would think that the results of the election might cause a little introspection or reassessment of their prized assumptions. Y’ know, like maybe Harris wasn't such a good candidate or maybe people cared more about economics and border control than they do the availability of transgender surgery and pronouns. Or maybe having a police force is a good thing, and perhaps there was a common sense reason all along for having separate men's and women's teams.
Let's consider this a learning experience for them. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. Though you can always hope…………Luca
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MDDad
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Post by MDDad on Nov 6, 2024 19:37:19 GMT -8
One of my takeaways from last night is how words' meanings become blurred or ambiguous the more they are used in the common vernacular. A good modern example is "awesome". That word used to mean something that inspires awe, but today, when it is used to describe virtually every behavior or experience, it means nothing.
The same applies to words like "fascist" and "racist". Those words have very specific meanings, but they are now tossed around so freely by the left that they have also come to be meaningless. I would love to see a study of how many "progressives" who accuse so many of their fellow Americans of being racists or fascists can actually define those words in a way that is even remotely close to what they mean. I'd wager it is very, very few.
I sat next to a middle-aged black woman at a Christmas party last year who got into it pretty well with another diner who was very conservative. Naturally, she used the word racist quite liberally (pun intended), especially in reference to Donald Trump. So I asked her if she would rather have a racist president who made her life much better, or a non-racist president who made her life much worse. She thought about it for a while and could not come up with an answer. I've tried the same question with several hardcore woke liberals since, and the result is always the same. So sometimes I think the value to a liberal of bitching all the time is the bitching itself, not the content of what they are saying, or any effect it might have. It seems to be some kind of compensation for empty lives rather than a serious attempt at discourse are affecting change.
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Luca
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Post by Luca on Nov 6, 2024 20:13:02 GMT -8
The compulsive bitching is a form of “virtue signaling” as it is now called. I dislike that trite term but nonetheless that's what it is. If you are a racist then I am inherently a superior person and don't even have to explain why. I don't need to defend my perspective on issues to such morally inferior scum. It's a variation of the Salem Witch Trial prosecution strategy where all you have to do is point your finger and yell “Witch!!” ………..and your point is indisputable.
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Bick
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Post by Bick on Nov 6, 2024 20:30:51 GMT -8
It used to be whenever you sunk to calling someone Hitler in an argument, it was clear evidence you had lost. Now, you win...in the minds of a certain ilk I have little interest associating with.
There's a good reason why those of us here got away from the island about 6 years ago. It's an alternate reality.
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Post by ProfessorFate on Nov 7, 2024 4:33:33 GMT -8
The one out those Dems have is if it could be shown that those 2020 vote totals were reached via cheating. Maybe Biden really only received 60 something million votes, the rest were discarded ballots that had originally been distributed to everyone with a pulse. That would explain the drop in votes without casting the racist, sexist noose around the neck of the Dems. So, which is it Dems, are you the true deplorables or are you just cheaters? Yeah, I noticed the lower vote totals in an election billed as the most important election ever, and I have always maintained that there was no way on God's green earth that Biden ever could have earned 81 million votes. I told my wife that I felt the huge drop in total votes (by both candidates combined) was proof that millions of ballots were fraudulent in 2020. |
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Post by MDDad on Nov 7, 2024 9:20:52 GMT -8
Yeah, I noticed the lower vote totals in an election billed as the most important election ever, and I have always maintained that there was no way on God's green earth that Biden ever could have earned 81 million votes. I told my wife that I felt the huge drop in total votes (by both candidates combined) was proof that millions of ballots were fraudulent in 2020. One reason Kamala Harris had millions of fewer votes than Joe Biden is that she is a historically terrible candidate . . . and that's a pretty low bar coming right after him. But another reason is that some poor clerk in the Democrat Party forgot to order enough toner for their ballot printers. |
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Post by tarmac on Nov 7, 2024 12:40:54 GMT -8
I can't believe over 14 million democrats didn't vote in this election.
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RSM789
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Post by RSM789 on Nov 7, 2024 23:37:47 GMT -8
I looked further into the demographics of the voting & came up with some data that refutes the claim that Harris lost because of racism and/or sexism.
When you compare the voting of 2020 (trump vs white guy) to 2024 (trump vs minority woman), the percentages of white voters, both male & female were nearly the same. What changed were the following:
Hispanics - 20 point swing towards Trump;
Asians - 15 point swing to Trump;
Blacks - 14 point swing to Trump.
Harris still won those 3 groups, but by smaller margins. So unless one wants to call a minority portion of minorities racist, that was not the reason for her loss.
Similiar results when you break it down by sex:
White men - 1 point swing to Trump
Hispanic men - 30 point swing to Trump
Asian men - 22 point swing to Trump
Black men - 16 point swing to Trump
White Women - no change
Hispanic women - 12 point swing to Trump
Asian women - 8 point swing to Trump
Black women - 10 point swing to Trump
So if there was sexism involved, it was by both men & women, nearly all minorities. Further you would have to believe that people didn't vote on the economy or illegal aliens, but on sexist prejudices, which is a tough row to hoe. One might be able to suggest that older voters would be a bit more sexist, but younger voters, growing up in a world of female Governors, Senators & Congresswomen, would not have such a predisposition. So lets split by age -
Men under 40 - 16 pt swing to Trump
Men over 40 - no change
Women under 40 - 12 point swing to Trump
Women over 40 - 2 point swing to Harris.
So that pretty much kills the sexist canard, when the younger voters are the one changing their votes.
To paraphrase (Mona) Lisa Vito "No, the prosecution's case does not hold water"
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