not4u13
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May 27, 2019 10:00:59 GMT -8
Post by not4u13 on May 27, 2019 10:00:59 GMT -8
There is no question that there was an FBI investigation. Everyone knows that and the FBI has been very clear that there was, in fact, an investigation. We can debate whether or not the reason was justified, but there was no secret spying going on. The spying that was going on was conducted according to official FBI business, was documented and was already reported.
Trump is expecting to find something additional and he's no more likely to find that than anyone was ever going to find Trump himself was guilty of any collusion with the Russian government.
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May 27, 2019 11:09:22 GMT -8
Post by ProfessorFate on May 27, 2019 11:09:22 GMT -8
There is no question that there was an FBI investigation. Everyone knows that and the FBI has been very clear that there was, in fact, an investigation. We can debate whether or not the reason was justified, but there was no secret spying going on. The spying that was going on was conducted according to official FBI business, was documented and was already reported. Trump is expecting to find something additional and he's no more likely to find that than anyone was ever going to find Trump himself was guilty of any collusion with the Russian government. Spying, by definition, is secret. You say "there was no secret spying going on," and then literally the next phrase in your post is " The spying that was going on..."
spying : work for a government or other organization by secretly collecting information about enemies or competitors. "he agreed to spy for the West" observe (someone) furtively.
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SK80
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May 27, 2019 12:21:15 GMT -8
Post by SK80 on May 27, 2019 12:21:15 GMT -8
Maybe they were not spying on Trump, merely eyeing.....
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RSM789
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May 27, 2019 15:57:24 GMT -8
Post by RSM789 on May 27, 2019 15:57:24 GMT -8
or just keeping an alert eye on Trump, in a an unassuming manner.
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Credo
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May 27, 2019 21:08:30 GMT -8
Post by Credo on May 27, 2019 21:08:30 GMT -8
There is no question that there was an FBI investigation. Everyone knows that and the FBI has been very clear that there was, in fact, an investigation. We can debate whether or not the reason was justified, but there was no secret spying going on. The spying that was going on was conducted according to official FBI business, was documented and was already reported. Trump is expecting to find something additional and he's no more likely to find that than anyone was ever going to find Trump himself was guilty of any collusion with the Russian government. You're right, there's no question that spying on the Trump campaign was going. That the full surveillance powers of the government headed by a president from one party was spying on the presidential candidate from another party is shocking, and should never happen if America is to avoid becoming a police state. Further, there was no legitimate reason for undertaking such an investigation, as the information that has been reported and continues to be revealed clearly shows. This entire episode is the greatest abuse of power in the history of our nation. Those who broke laws in any way connected to this scandal must be held accountable to the full extent of the law. Period.
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Bick
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May 28, 2019 6:55:00 GMT -8
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Post by Bick on May 28, 2019 6:55:00 GMT -8
"This entire episode is the greatest abuse of power in the history of our nation. Those who broke laws in any way connected to this scandal must be held accountable to the full extent of the law. Period."
Ordinarily, I'd consider a statement like this to be hyperbolic - especially without a few comparisons. I can't think of many beyond Iran / Contra and Watergate.
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Credo
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Post by Credo on May 28, 2019 21:29:54 GMT -8
"This entire episode is the greatest abuse of power in the history of our nation. Those who broke laws in any way connected to this scandal must be held accountable to the full extent of the law. Period." Ordinarily, I'd consider a statement like this to be hyperbolic - especially without a few comparisons. I can't think of many beyond Iran / Contra and Watergate. I honestly think my characterization is no overstatement, so let me explain. Yes, the above scandals involved real abuses of power. At the same time, their gravity in our consciousness owes in part to a left-leaning media that never tires of reminding the public about the ever-lurking threat of those evil Republicans. Spygate and the Russia Collusion Hoax are arguably far worse abuses since they strike at the very heart of our democratic process of free and fair elections and the peaceful transfer of power. Think about this: a Democratic administration, with no credible justification, used the full surveillance powers of the intelligence community to spy and plant evidence on the campaign of an opposition candidate; have somewhat successfully established a two-tiered justice system based on political affiliation; its sympathizers have for two-plus years refused to accept the results of a duly-conducted election, setting in motion another phony investigation to hamstring the new President and drive him from office, have regularly slandered him and accused him of treason, and have now sown doubt in the minds of half the electorate about the next Presidential election, thereby doing grievous damage to some of our most important national institutions. And we will soon see that much of the hoax was also a misdirection meant to cover the fact that the Obama IC was engaging in unlawful mining of NSA databases since 2012 in order to spy on its political opponents. I call that pretty damned serious.
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Credo
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May 28, 2019 22:22:51 GMT -8
Post by Credo on May 28, 2019 22:22:51 GMT -8
All the Spygate characters are running for the hills. (That also includes the cowardly Robert Mueller.)
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Bick
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May 29, 2019 8:09:41 GMT -8
Post by Bick on May 29, 2019 8:09:41 GMT -8
"This entire episode is the greatest abuse of power in the history of our nation. Those who broke laws in any way connected to this scandal must be held accountable to the full extent of the law. Period." Ordinarily, I'd consider a statement like this to be hyperbolic - especially without a few comparisons. I can't think of many beyond Iran / Contra and Watergate. I honestly think my characterization is no overstatement, so let me explain. Yes, the above scandals involved real abuses of power. At the same time, their gravity in our consciousness owes in part to a left-leaning media that never tires of reminding the public about the ever-lurking threat of those evil Republicans. Spygate and the Russia Collusion Hoax are arguably far worse abuses since they strike at the very heart of our democratic process of free and fair elections and the peaceful transfer of power. Think about this: a Democratic administration, with no credible justification, used the full surveillance powers of the intelligence community to spy and plant evidence on the campaign of an opposition candidate; have somewhat successfully established a two-tiered justice system based on political affiliation; its sympathizers have for two-plus years refused to accept the results of a duly-conducted election, setting in motion another phony investigation to hamstring the new President and drive him from office, have regularly slandered him and accused him of treason, and have now sown doubt in the minds of half the electorate about the next Presidential election, thereby doing grievous damage to some of our most important national institutions. And we will soon see that much of the hoax was also a misdirection meant to cover the fact that the Obama IC was engaging in unlawful mining of NSA databases since 2012 in order to spy on its political opponents. I call that pretty damned serious. I agree it's very serious. Was looking for similar scandals from both parties as a point of comparison.
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Credo
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May 29, 2019 11:15:29 GMT -8
Post by Credo on May 29, 2019 11:15:29 GMT -8
The FBI and the DOJ at the D.C. level needs to be reconstituted from top to bottom. These agencies are utterly unable to maintain any type of legal and ethical standards and are rife with the corruption of power.
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Credo
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May 30, 2019 11:17:32 GMT -8
Post by Credo on May 30, 2019 11:17:32 GMT -8
FBI forgot to tell Trump campaign they were being spied on. Folks, this was all orchestrated--or what Strzok called their "insurance policy."
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Credo
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Jun 18, 2019 8:53:33 GMT -8
Post by Credo on Jun 18, 2019 8:53:33 GMT -8
Yes, Obama knew all about the set up of Trump. Considering what Trump is implying in the recent ABC interview, it's somewhat telling that neither Obama or Hillary have protested his words or issued any denial of the charge.
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Credo
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Nov 25, 2019 16:16:22 GMT -8
Post by Credo on Nov 25, 2019 16:16:22 GMT -8
DOJ/IG report on FISA abuse scheduled for release December 9. Leaks already dripping out. Not a coincidence that shortly after IG Horowitz delivered the draft of his investigative report to AG Bill Barr last September, Kevin Clinesmith, the FBI lawyer who manipulated the Carter Page email, left the FBI.
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Credo
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Nov 25, 2019 19:15:27 GMT -8
Post by Credo on Nov 25, 2019 19:15:27 GMT -8
So the IC IG who improperly allowed the bogus "whistleblower" complaint to proceed was, just coincidentally, one of the main attorneys at DOJ involved in the bogus FISA warrants obtained to spy on the Trump campaign, transition, and administration. IRS, Benghazi, Fast and Furious, Spygate--was there any part of the federal government that Barack Obama didn't corrupt?
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Credo
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Nov 25, 2019 21:02:35 GMT -8
Post by Credo on Nov 25, 2019 21:02:35 GMT -8
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