Bick
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Post by Bick on Feb 1, 2020 14:18:53 GMT -8
It IS complete horseshit to require a family to bear the expense of moving within the same district just to check a box, and I don't give a damn of it's public or private. How can you defend this? I don't defend it. The Blue Book is full of rules that are counterintuitive and make no sense, but they have been adopted nonetheless. What I try to correct is the constant barrage of criticism that insists transfer rules are different for publics and privates, and that they greatly favor the privates. Here's another example. A family lives next door to Mater Dei and their freshman son attends Santa Ana or SA Valley as a freshman. He transfers to Mater Dei as a sophomore, but despite living right next door, the family not only has to move, but they have to move out of their Santa Ana HS enrollment area. How does that make sense or favor the privates? It makes Zero sense, and does not favor privates |
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Post by outofstate on Feb 1, 2020 14:34:35 GMT -8
The long awaited QB transfer to MD😉 Not the big splash I was anticipating. Kid is a dual threat.
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Post by ProfessorFate on Feb 1, 2020 16:13:32 GMT -8
The long awaited QB transfer to MD😉 Not the big splash I was anticipating. Kid is a dual threat. I don't see that kid starting for Mater Dei. He completed 47.9% of his passes 13 TDs and 7 INTs with a QB rating of 79.9 Surely not enough to justify denying the position to QBs they already have. |
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Post by outofstate on Feb 1, 2020 16:50:32 GMT -8
The long awaited QB transfer to MD😉 Not the big splash I was anticipating. Kid is a dual threat. I don't see that kid starting for Mater Dei. He completed 47.9% of his passes 13 TDs and 7 INTs with a QB rating of 79.9 Surely not enough to justify denying the position to QBs they already have. Agreed. Hence ‘not the big splash I was anticipating.’ Who knows maybe there will be another transfer still. If things stay as is there will probably be a competition for the position. |
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Post by Luca on Feb 1, 2020 17:36:15 GMT -8
How can you not love parochial football, the respect for tradition and its integrity?.......................Luca
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Post by SK80 on Feb 1, 2020 17:46:10 GMT -8
How can you not love parochial football, the respect for tradition and its integrity?.......................Luca according to MDDad, "Whats Not to Love"! (Insert smoothie kissy face emoji here!) |
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Post by SK80 on Feb 2, 2020 8:22:56 GMT -8
Gotta love th off-season....,
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Post by MDDad on Feb 2, 2020 9:33:00 GMT -8
Since Orange Lutheran started doing that 19 or 20 years ago, it really wouldn't be very newsworthy, would it?
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Post by coach on Feb 2, 2020 9:40:54 GMT -8
The long awaited QB transfer to MD😉 Not the big splash I was anticipating. Kid is a dual threat. I don't see that kid starting for Mater Dei. He completed 47.9% of his passes 13 TDs and 7 INTs with a QB rating of 79.9 Surely not enough to justify denying the position to QBs they already have. If you bothered to watch his HUDL closely, he barely had an offensive line. He was always under pressure and looked cool under fire. Having said that, Spring is coming soon and he will have to compete. We shall see. |
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Post by Bick on Feb 2, 2020 11:34:45 GMT -8
Since Orange Lutheran started doing that 19 or 20 years ago, it really wouldn't be very newsworthy, would it? No kidding. And before that, it was Mission Viejo with it's county-wide agriculture program, or Cen10 with whatever its special consideration is for allowing players not living within some district boundaries. While we're on the subject, why is it that private schools have no boundaries whatsoever? In other words, if you want to go to Servite, you'd have to live in an expanded boundary that at some point would border MD, or SJB, or OLu, or StM. But as a practical matter, movement between schools really should be allowed anyway. Coaches can do it, and no one bats an eye. And why shouldn't you be allowed to move to a program that's a better fit for what you do? Imagine those kids at Sta Margarita that got the news a triple option coach was just hired. Or say you're at a school that regularly brings in 4-5* players in your position, which effectively relegates you to the bench, and blows any hope you may have of getting your education paid for. Sorry fellas - I can't get on board with the hand-wringing over the good 'ol days. There's far too much at stake. I'll tell you what really DOES get stuck in my craw - programs / coaches that are very willing to accept xfers, but then turn around and try to block players from leaving. Not sure if it happens at MD, but it did happen a couple years ago at this year's "national champion". |
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Post by SK80 on Feb 2, 2020 12:35:07 GMT -8
The "GOOD ole DAYS"! They were great.
Wont hash out the "NEW DAYS" way...., my position is neutral, as long as at my Alma Mater plays in any rules set forth I am ok, doesn't mean I do not still believe there is downsides to what goes on today......, oh by the way, while on TRANSFERS...., The GENERAL B. is on his way back to Texas. Four schools Four years, yep thats really good for a kid..., what a way to miss out so much on what is really important in ones youth. I'll stop there.
I'm fine with the entire ways that be today, I simply believe CIF must work harder at an equitable division format. We all know its hard to draw a line anywhere as someone will complain, feel aced out, cheated, etc. I still think a line should be drawn at the public/private schools. I've been exposed to so much of it over the past decade and it simply is not the same game. Public schools will be hard pressed to win against the Big Privates and many of the up and coming ones. @bick, Malachi or no Malachi if Los Al were to come up against Alemany, Sierra Canyon, Amat, Brethren and any one of the others loading up next year I wish you and any Sunset team much luck. It took a stellar public in last years CDM to finally break them, even as far as State.
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Post by Bick on Feb 2, 2020 12:48:40 GMT -8
The "GOOD ole DAYS"! They were great. Wont hash out the "NEW DAYS" way...., my position is neutral, as long as at my Alma Mater plays in any rules set forth I am ok, doesn't mean I do not still believe there is downsides to what goes on today......, oh by the way, while on TRANSFERS...., The GENERAL B. is on his way back to Texas. Four schools Four years, yep thats really good for a kid..., what a way to miss out so much on what is really important in ones youth. I'll stop there. I'm fine with the entire ways that be today, I simply believe CIF must work harder at an equitable division format. We all know its hard to draw a line anywhere as someone will complain, feel aced out, cheated, etc. I still think a line should be drawn at the public/private schools. I've been exposed to so much of it over the past decade and it simply is not the same game. Public schools will be hard pressed to win against the Big Privates and many of the up and coming ones. @bick, Malachi or no Malachi if Los Al were to come up against Alemany, Sierra Canyon, Amat, Brethren and any one of the others loading up next year I wish you and any Sunset team much luck. It took a stellar public in last years CDM to finally break them, even as far as State. By all rights, and the way it seems it will be going forward, CDM as the #3 or 4 team in the section would have competed in D1, and been looking at a semi-final exit against teams that have no boundaries from which to attract players like what's imposed on you at CDM. The more I think about this, the public / private debate should be more about the boundary / no boundary issue. That's what seems to be the big differentiator as it's been for quite some time. If not, you're still dealing with the Mission Viejo's, Cen10's, and to a lesser extent La Habra's and Edison's of the world who can draw from anywhere within the entire district. |
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Post by MDDad on Feb 2, 2020 12:54:57 GMT -8
I'm fine with the entire ways that be today, I simply believe CIF must work harder at an equitable division format. We all know its hard to draw a line anywhere as someone will complain, feel aced out, cheated, etc. I still think a line should be drawn at the public/private schools. I've been exposed to so much of it over the past decade and it simply is not the same game. Public schools will be hard pressed to win against the Big Privates and many of the up and coming ones. @bick, Malachi or no Malachi if Los Al were to come up against Alemany, Sierra Canyon, Amat, Brethren and any one of the others loading up next year I wish you and any Sunset team much luck. It took a stellar public in last years CDM to finally break them, even as far as State. I think there's a fallacy in your thinking, as you are lumping all the privates together. Yes, Mater Dei and St. John Bosco have risen above the level of most if not all public schools, but they've also risen above all the privates as well. The annual divisional placement process will soon enough elevate most of the big privates to D-1 without having to make the public/private split that some call for. You also have to think of the dozens and dozens of smaller privates like Whittier Christian, Fairmont Prep, Sage Hill, Capo Valley Christian, Crean Lutheran, etc. It makes a lot more sense to allow them to keep playing against privates and publics of equal competitive levels, which the current placement system does, than to force them into a privates only section where can't compete. |
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Post by SK80 on Feb 2, 2020 12:56:58 GMT -8
Will be interesting to see if the new CIF PLAYOFF proposal will be beneficial as look to a team like St. Bernard right now at d13. They are getting JSerra and NARBONNE transfers just like that, can you imagine how easy they will slaughter teams down in those divisions in the old system? This is why I was pissed when CDM lost to GRACE. Grace won like D13, then 8 was moved to 4 and took the CHIP from CDM and all those public school kids whom played for their local high school for 4 years, not just because its my team but those kids were essentially robbed. Here play by one set of rules yet others playing with unlike rules will come and beat you at the end. Crime.
Yes CDM got pay back the old fashion way, but trust me that will not be the norm by any mean. Not like you say when the perimeters are different. Of course CDM has another layer of parameters in geography and economy.
This new system will place teams more equal or even footing based on that years team. Maybe this is a better way. We shall see.
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Post by Bick on Feb 2, 2020 13:01:03 GMT -8
I'm fine with the entire ways that be today, I simply believe CIF must work harder at an equitable division format. We all know its hard to draw a line anywhere as someone will complain, feel aced out, cheated, etc. I still think a line should be drawn at the public/private schools. I've been exposed to so much of it over the past decade and it simply is not the same game. Public schools will be hard pressed to win against the Big Privates and many of the up and coming ones. @bick, Malachi or no Malachi if Los Al were to come up against Alemany, Sierra Canyon, Amat, Brethren and any one of the others loading up next year I wish you and any Sunset team much luck. It took a stellar public in last years CDM to finally break them, even as far as State. I think there's a fallacy in your thinking, as you are lumping all the privates together. Yes, Mater Dei and St. John Bosco have risen above the level of most if not all public schools, but they've also risen above all the privates as well. The annual divisional placement process will soon enough elevate most of the big privates to D-1 without having to make the public/private split that some call for. You also have to think of the dozens and dozens of smaller privates like Whittier Christian, Fairmont Prep, Sage Hill, Capo Valley Christian, Crean Lutheran, etc. It makes a lot more sense to allow them to keep playing against privates and publics of equal competitive levels, which the current placement system does, than to force them into a privates only section where can't compete. You're right. A team's strength as calculated by calpreps, is probably the best barometer of who they should be playing against. The fact they have to take a religion class instead of surfing shouldn't impact that one way or another. |
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