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Post by SK80 on Apr 14, 2023 11:12:03 GMT -8
Isn't a moderate R what we need? While I appreciate what Trump was trying to do, the backlash we're seeing now is the pendulum swing from him alienating the left. I think most would agree these past few years have been the biggest shitshow in our lifetime. We need a course correct back to the middle where most of us reside. * |
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Post by billb on Apr 14, 2023 13:45:58 GMT -8
The reason Trump is in trouble is because he wants to do the right thing. If he was a Bob Dole, or whatever, he wouldn't be in trouble. The deep state is fighting back with their DOJ, FBI, etc.
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Post by SK80 on Apr 14, 2023 14:09:35 GMT -8
The reason Trump is in trouble is because he wants to do the right thing. If he was a Bob Dole, or whatever, he wouldn't be in trouble. The deep state is fighting back with their DOJ, FBI, etc. Well not sure Bob Dole is someone remotely to use in whom Trump should be as honorable as a man as he was. I think Bob would get eaten alive in todays political "Game of Thrones". In the least, Trump has brought more attention to just how corrupt our government has become. |
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Post by MDDad on Apr 14, 2023 14:38:51 GMT -8
Isn't a moderate R what we need? We need a course correct back to the middle where most of us reside. I agree. If a moderate is seen as "selling out" his party, I'd say that's a party that deserves to be sold out. No party can succeed longterm by living on the fringes. |
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Post by MDDad on Apr 14, 2023 14:40:56 GMT -8
Neither side seems to want players amongst their ranks who work with (sell out) to the other guys. I can't believe anyone would think that "working with" and "selling out" are the same thing. |
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Post by MDDad on Apr 14, 2023 14:41:43 GMT -8
The reason Trump is in trouble is because he wants to do the right thing. No, the reason Trump is in trouble is because he can't control the crap that comes out of his mouth. |
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Post by SK80 on Apr 14, 2023 15:58:08 GMT -8
Neither side seems to want players amongst their ranks who work with (sell out) to the other guys. I can't believe anyone would think that "working with" and "selling out" are the same thing. Sinema, Romney, Manchin.... considered sell outs by their own parties.... |
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Post by billb on Apr 14, 2023 17:48:35 GMT -8
The reason Trump is in trouble is because he wants to do the right thing. No, the reason Trump is in trouble is because he can't control the crap that comes out of his mouth. I disagree MD. |
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Post by Bick on Apr 14, 2023 20:33:38 GMT -8
Neither side seems to want players amongst their ranks who work with (sell out) to the other guys. I can't believe anyone would think that "working with" and "selling out" are the same thing. That's the bullshit that's been shoved down our throats for the past couple decades. Reagan and Tip O'Neal would battle each other on the issues, but had a mutual respect for each other. Trump doesn't have that, and neither have any of the recent presidents. That's why he's an ineffective leader. |
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Post by MDDad on Apr 14, 2023 21:28:20 GMT -8
I can't believe anyone would think that "working with" and "selling out" are the same thing. Sinema, Romney, Manchin.... considered sell outs by their own parties.... I don't get your point. Yes, there are sell-outs. And yes, there are guys willing to work with the opposition. The two are not the same thing. |
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Post by billb on Apr 14, 2023 21:36:27 GMT -8
Bick, there are a lot of things in my life that I would do differently now. Sadly, Trump made some appointments that hindered what needed to be done. Talking to Tucker Carlson the other night, Trump said that China and Russia are not our biggest threats. It is the fifth column inside our own government. I think his best appointment was Michael Flynn, and we know what happened to him. Everyone in his administration that wanted to defeat the deep state, the fifth column, the globalists, the corporate fascists... were brought up on charges for one thing or another. I know MD might say they were dirty or something to that effect. We are all dirty, but things are relative. There is no perfect person. I can't think of any of the people who were arrested by the DOJ were ever convicted of anything in his administration, other than his lawyer Cohen. Peter Navaro, Roger Stone, and Steve Bannon are the first to come to mind. They were Trumped up charges. I believe the goal of these charges, like with Flynn, were to warn others who threaten these special interests that suck our money and give to the woke corporations.
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Post by SK80 on Apr 15, 2023 6:59:59 GMT -8
Sinema, Romney, Manchin.... considered sell outs by their own parties.... I don't get your point. Yes, there are sell-outs. And yes, there are guys willing to work with the opposition. The two are not the same thing. you may believe they are not the same as do I but not those in the winner take all political party pool. |
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Post by thefrog on Apr 15, 2023 7:52:27 GMT -8
I can't believe anyone would think that "working with" and "selling out" are the same thing. That's the bullshit that's been shoved down our throats for the past couple decades. Reagan and Tip O'Neal would battle each other on the issues, but had a mutual respect for each other. Trump doesn't have that, and neither have any of the recent presidents. That's why he's an ineffective leader. IMO, Extremism has infected BOTH parties... Moderacy is key |
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Post by billb on Apr 15, 2023 9:27:25 GMT -8
Speaking of extremists. Here are some Trump supporters with flags and literature with a table set up on a college campus. The left would consider them an extremist. But look what this trans does:
And the left would not consider it (him) an extremist.
Are those students with a table extremist? I don't think so.
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Post by MDDad on Apr 15, 2023 9:59:36 GMT -8
That guy should replace the jackass as the new symbol of far left Democrats -- a young, inarticulate, violent, mentally ill tranny, with no sense of style or impulse control, and probably no romantic partner, no children, no career, no prospects for one, no purpose or direction in life, yet still wearing a mask because he's afraid of dying from COVID. That is one pathetic human being.
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