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Post by Bick on May 16, 2020 6:33:44 GMT -8
Not sure if I've got my story straight on this, but when Gen Flynn was "unmasked", did that mean someone wanted to expose Gen Flynn, or someone wanted to expose the guy wearing a mask?
And, regardless of which it was, should it matter if it were someone else? Seems like it shouldn't.
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Post by SK80 on May 18, 2020 9:14:20 GMT -8
Bick, this thread has been infiltrated by a representative of the 8th grade mean girls club. Somebody's feelings are hurt because I simply reported uncontested FACTS .... Yet all your "facts" come from op-ed pieces. Why is that? - Can we assume that your news sources NYT, LAT, WAPO are anything but Op-Ed pieces guised as cutting truth be told journalism?If they're 'facts" why can't they be mentioned in a factual article instead of an op-ed piece? - Would love to see one of these "factual" articles..., fact checked by you of course!BTW, your middle-school behavior is not the least bit insulting...to me anyway. - It's quite apparent you truly enjoy it and look up to it from your grade school vantage. Your post history proves that. It does make you look like a fool though so you may want to cut back on it a bit.- If he did, what purpose would you have here? What "tingle" would shoot up your leg...?
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Post by SK80 on May 18, 2020 9:15:15 GMT -8
Not sure if I've got my story straight on this, but when Gen Flynn was "unmasked", did that mean someone wanted to expose Gen Flynn, or someone wanted to expose the guy wearing a mask? And, regardless of which it was, should it matter if it were someone else? Seems like it shouldn't. I think this was before the "ORDERED" and "MANDATORY" face mask rules..... So no crime here....
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Post by Credo on May 18, 2020 12:02:09 GMT -8
Last September, almost two years after bringing a charge against Michael Flynn, a 3-star Lt. General and 30 year veteran, the FBI claims the original 302 documentation of the interview with Flynn--the evidence upon which the entire case rests--is "lost." In a normal universe, that would be the moment the judge immediately dismisses the case while chewing out the state's prosecutors for wasting everyone's time.
Judge Emmet Sullivan's reaction: Stuff happens.
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Post by Credo on May 18, 2020 18:37:34 GMT -8
Not sure if I've got my story straight on this, but when Gen Flynn was "unmasked", did that mean someone wanted to expose Gen Flynn, or someone wanted to expose the guy wearing a mask? And, regardless of which it was, should it matter if it were someone else? Seems like it shouldn't. Former NSA Director Adm. Mike Rogers gives the best explanation of the masking and unmasking process here:
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Post by vilepagan on May 19, 2020 3:22:56 GMT -8
Can you ask this question again in English? I have no idea what you tried to say here.
What's stopping you?
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Post by vilepagan on May 19, 2020 3:32:17 GMT -8
A few points.
1. I'm not sure why you think it's important to mention the time-frame of this case (almost two years)...why is it important? You didnt say.
2. A "three-star" general is the same as a Lt. General so that's just redundant.
3. The 302 document that was lost was not a "claim" by the FBI, it was just lost. It was also not "the evidence upon which the entire case rests" despite your ridiculous assertion. There was other testimonial and documentary evidence and then there were Flynn's two guilty pleas that are also evidence of his guilt.
In a normal universe we allow such decisions to be made by courts not by poorly educated angry partisans on internet discussion forums.
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Post by Credo on May 19, 2020 11:00:28 GMT -8
Read Section 34 of Flynn's own declaration from January.
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Post by Credo on May 19, 2020 21:21:42 GMT -8
Judge Sullivan must know his actions here will eventually be overturned by the SCOTUS, if not the Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit. It looks like he's stalling, trying to string out this case until past the November election. The D.C. Swap really, really doesn't want Flynn to be able to publicly tell his story. Nice analysis (and yes, opinion) by Jonathan Turley.
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Post by davidsf on May 20, 2020 8:07:27 GMT -8
Judge Sullivan must know his actions here will eventually be overturned by the SCOTUS, if not the Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit. It looks like he's stalling, trying to string out this case until past the November election. The D.C. Swap really, really doesn't want Flynn to be able to publicly tell his story. Nice analysis (and yes, opinion) by Jonathan Turley. ”...Sullivan can disagree with the exercise of prosecutorial discretion, but he cannot substitute his own judgment for it.” you're right on all counts: - A court superior to Sullivan’s will overturn this, regardless of the verdict that eventually comes unless it is exoneration.
- It really does seem like he is purposefully drawing it out: It is as if the democrats and other liberals are out of gas and this is one of their last arrows in the quiver (and COVID19 IS the last one), and
- OF COURSE the swamp doesn’t want Flynn talking freely...
or maybe Sullivan wants his cake AND to eat it too: Democrats pay him to string it out, AND he takes their money but sets it up to be overturned.
the ol’ double reverse... 🤷🏻♂️
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Post by Credo on May 21, 2020 12:55:20 GMT -8
The ball is now is Judge Sullivan's court (no pun intended) to respond to the Writ of Mandamus filed by Flynn's attorneys. See the full thread for more info, including a profile of the three judges who will hear the petition. Based on the recent 9-0 SCOTUS decision which expressly struck down the exact tactic that Sullivan is now employing, it is all but certain that Flynn will eventually be freed from this political persecution--hopefully ASAP. Justice delayed is justice denied.
And the circuit judges who will hear the arguments specifically referenced the U.S. v. Fokker Services case that FROG already mentioned in an earlier post.
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Post by Credo on May 21, 2020 22:12:33 GMT -8
Yet all your "facts" come from op-ed pieces. Why is that? - Can we assume that your news sources NYT, LAT, WAPO are anything but Op-Ed pieces guised as cutting truth be told journalism?If they're 'facts" why can't they be mentioned in a factual article instead of an op-ed piece? - Would love to see one of these "factual" articles..., fact checked by you of course!Once again, someone here continues to demonstrate any inability to distinguish fact from opinion. Facts are facts--it doesn't matter where they are mentioned (Wikipedia, NYT, op-ed piece, or a bathroom stall). Every single thing I refer to as a "fact" can be verified by anyone who has the inclination. Simply because the fact is unknown to some people or is inconvenient to their narrative doesn't make it less of a fact. Newsflash: Op-Ed pieces are arguments that are based on a particular person's interpretation of facts. Two people can look at the same set of facts and come to entirely different opinions. The strength of each opinion is based on the persuasiveness of their argument vis-à-vis the undisputed facts. FACT: Hillary Clinton had 33,000 emails deleted that were under Congressional subpoena. Some people's opinion is that those were all personal emails about yoga and wedding plans. My opinion is that those emails were evidence of unethical and possibly illegal activities. The various opinions do not change the fact of the missing emails. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion; they are not entitled to their own facts. I also notice that while there's a complaint registered here about the source of the facts I put forth as the basis of my opinions, there is no attempt to actually dispute these facts and show that they are false. If someone thinks they're not true, then stop whining about it and go ahead and disprove them. Show me where I'm wrong on the facts. As someone here once said, "Dude, this is a place where we discuss things." If you have an opinion, then lay it out on the table. But these interminable cat-calls of "you're making stuff up" when you simple disagree with our opinions does nothing to advance the conversation. Oh, by the way, the issue that began this dispute involves John Gleeson, the retired judge appointed by Judge Emmet Sullivan to argue against the DOJ's dismissal of Flynn's case, who only came to prominence in this matter because he wrote, wait for it...... an opinion piece in the Washington Post already making that argument. So I assume we should be skeptical about the facts he puts forth to support his argument because they first appeared in an "op-ed." www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/05/11/flynn-case-isnt-over-until-judge-says-its-over/
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Post by vilepagan on May 22, 2020 2:53:50 GMT -8
Yes Credo, that's why I asked.
Sure, but my question is why so many of your "facts" come from bathroom stalls. Or put another way, why aren't your opinions supported by major media outlets. Why do so many of your posts originate on Twitter?
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Credo
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Post by Credo on May 29, 2020 21:10:32 GMT -8
Robert Mueller framed Gen. Flynn.
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Post by RSM789 on May 29, 2020 21:32:55 GMT -8
Sure, but my question is why so many of your "facts" come from bathroom stalls... Coming from an expert on bathroom stalls...
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