Bick
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Post by Bick on Jun 18, 2022 17:41:12 GMT -8
More Mike Tyson. Him v Ali in his prime would've been fun
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Post by MDDad on Jun 18, 2022 18:10:42 GMT -8
I was once one the biggest boxing fans alive, and I can tell you that Mike Tyson was very overrated. The "name" fighters he beat (Tyrell Biggs, Pinklon Thomas, James Tillis, Marvis Frazier, Trevor Berbick, Tony Tucker, Tony Tubbs, Carl Williams, Buster Mathis Jr., Henry Tillman, Donovan Ruddock, Frank Bruno, and 39-year-old Larry Holmes) were average journeymen or deeply flawed fighters. When he fought someone with talent, like Buster Douglas, Evander Holyfield or Lennox Lewis, he got his ass handed to him.
And Tyson is only 5'10". Muhammad Ali would have made him look like a joke, and so would Larry Holmes in his prime.
Tyson was similar to Ronda Rousey in MMA. She was also unbeatable when she fought limited fighters who were terrified by her mystique. But when she ran into skilled fighters, she got killed.
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Post by billb on Jun 18, 2022 21:22:15 GMT -8
Ali might have been better, but I don't know about Holmes.
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Post by MDDad on Jun 19, 2022 6:31:07 GMT -8
Nobody who ever laced up gloves could have beaten Ali in his prime.
Holmes was five inches taller than Tyson and had a ten-inch reach advantage. He was skilled, fast, could move, had a great jab, and was an excellent defensive fighter. He could also punch. He would have beaten Tyson easily.
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Post by SK80 on Jun 19, 2022 9:13:25 GMT -8
Nobody who ever laced up gloves could have beaten Ali in his prime. Holmes was five inches taller than Tyson and had a ten-inch reach advantage. He was skilled, fast, could move, had a great jab, and was an excellent defensive fighter. He could also punch. He would have beaten Tyson easily. These are always interesting debates, but one can never conclude a real outcome, there is, are, were, too many variables at any given moment or time as all these great, especially at the heavy weight level could end a fight with one punch. As for concluding that any match up of greats could easily be prognosticated as a definitive outcome is mere speculation. I would add that Mike's window of greatness was smaller than most will remember, his tear through the heavyweight division was pure animal at the time. Holmes to me was and still is one of the more underrated heavyweights of all time. A master boxer like Ali at that weight. The left jab was devastating, a pile driver that set up Larry's big overhand right. Holmes unanimously beat an Ali past his prime, Tyson knockout Holmes when he was past his prime. If I follow you MDDad you say Holmes would have beaten Tyson "easily"? Either way, in each hey day of these boxing legends, on any given night one could have beaten the other. However, that never came close to happening, as we know in that sport or most sports the young lion takes out the old. |
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Post by MDDad on Jun 19, 2022 10:10:20 GMT -8
Holmes to me was and still is one of the more underrated heavyweights of all time. A master boxer like Ali at that weight. The left jab was devastating, a pile driver that set up Larry's big overhand right. Holmes unanimously beat an Ali past his prime, Tyson knockout Holmes when he was past his prime. If I follow you MDDad you say Holmes would have beaten Tyson "easily"? Yes, if both were in their prime, Larry Holmes would have beaten Mike Tyson, unless some fluke thing happened. I really don't think it would have been close. And yes, Holmes's jab was as punishing as any I've seen, except for George Foreman's. |
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