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Post by not4u13 on Mar 10, 2019 16:33:44 GMT -8
My kids are now adults and are part of the group that support AOC. All are college educated and are really quite bright. Don't underestimate this new crop of leaders. You may not understand them or agree with them, but don't underestimate them. They are growing in numbers and in power. They are smart and capable and they won't take establishment BS. What is it about AOC your kids find worthy of following? That's really a good question. It isn't so much about a platform with AOC but rather a frame of mind. It's really more her unapologetic approach and what they see as an authenticity. |
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Post by Bick on Mar 10, 2019 18:04:07 GMT -8
I'm not sure what you would call someone who is authentically, unapologetically, self-assuredly ignorant...that lectures as though she's spewing pearls of wisdom with every breath. I think psychiatrists are scrambling as we speak to come up with a name for this condition, but I think it will be some rare form of narcissism.
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Post by MDDad on Mar 11, 2019 7:46:21 GMT -8
I think psychiatrists are scrambling as we speak to come up with a name for this condition, but I think it will be some rare form of narcissism. Or maybe it's just another new gender. LGBTQAOC. |
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Post by davidsf on Mar 11, 2019 8:15:37 GMT -8
I think psychiatrists are scrambling as we speak to come up with a name for this condition, but I think it will be some rare form of narcissism. Or maybe it's just another new gender. LGBTQAOC. It is laughable (to me, anyway)... ANY paranormal, maladjustment who can ally themselves with homosexuals can get an extra letter or two added. it was originally just gays so they co-opted a perfectly good word the rest of us are no longer allowed to use. Then Lesbians and Bi’s Felt left out, so we had to start the acronym train... then trannies and questioners joined... next will be gender fluids or gender undisclosed... sheesh. |
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Post by MDDad on Mar 11, 2019 8:30:05 GMT -8
I commonly make the mistake of viewing things in simple terms. But if a man wakes up one morning identifying as a man, and wakes up the next morning identifying as a woman, how is that anything but a mental illness?
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Post by davidsf on Mar 11, 2019 11:29:55 GMT -8
I commonly make the mistake of viewing things in simple terms. But if a man wakes up one morning identifying as a man, and wakes up the next morning identifying as a woman, how is that anything but a mental illness? Regardless of when “he” wakes up and believes he is a she, it is mental illness if for no other reason than he sees all the physical evidence to the contrary, but defers instead to a feeling. Tantamount to saying “I feel global warming is man’s fault, so it is true.” |
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Post by RSM789 on Mar 11, 2019 14:31:31 GMT -8
I commonly make the mistake of viewing things in simple terms. But if a man wakes up one morning identifying as a man, and wakes up the next morning identifying as a woman, how is that anything but a mental illness? It usually is, as Ben Shapiro notes, and is called "Gender Dysphoria". With all other mental illness's, such as hearing voices, the cure is not to tell the victim that the symptoms (voices) are real and to follow them, but rather to get to the underlying cause of the symptoms. In some cases, medication is used to lessen the symptoms if they can not be eliminated any other way. However, with Gender Dysphoria, the victim is given the solution of genital mutilation, plastic surgery and/or hormone therapy. In other words, they are saying the voices are real & the cure is to attempt to change reality to match the symptoms of the illness. If the body is male but the brain says it feels female, why would you attempt to change what is physically correct (the body)? It is simple to understand that the mind has a problem with reality and is not understanding what the gender of the body that carries it is. A huge percentage of trans people who have surgery or undergo hormone therapy end up either committing suicide or asking for the changes to be reversed. |
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Post by not4u13 on Mar 23, 2019 5:46:41 GMT -8
Being gay is not a mental illness. People don't just wake up one day and decide they are going to change genders. They wake up one day with the courage to be who they have always been, despite what genitalia they may have been born with. I've struggled with this quite a bit and really had to dig deep to understand it.
I proudly walked my daughter down the isle in November as she married the love of her life, her bride. Her wife's parents refused to attend. Refused to pay one dime to support their daughter. Refused to accept the reality. When you watch what a person goes through. The persecution. The hatred. The pain of separation. When you watch that and see that they never waver. Never stray from who they have found themselves to be. It can really change your perspective.
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Post by Bick on Mar 23, 2019 11:49:36 GMT -8
I doubt anyone is saying being gay is a mental illness. The heart knows what the heart knows.
Deciding you're a guy one day, and a gal the next... I'm throwing a flag on that one.
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Post by not4u13 on Mar 24, 2019 6:53:55 GMT -8
I doubt anyone is saying being gay is a mental illness. The heart knows what the heart knows. Deciding you're a guy one day, and a gal the next... I'm throwing a flag on that one. While it may seem that is what is happening. That's not the reality. Talk to those who are saying they are gay. Talk to anyone who you think just woke up one morning to declare they are gay. They will tell you it wasn't an overnight thing. It was a struggle over many years. Many times they knew they were gay years before they told anyone because of the persecution they knew they would face. It's possible I suppose that it comes to people like a switch, but I've never met anyone who felt that way. Every single person I've ever talked to and every study I've ever read about being gay has acknowledged that the realization comes over time. Often a long time. Many will say they just knew from the moment they were aware of gender that they didn't fit the gender norms. As for the mental illness statement. MDDad stated that he felt it was. "I commonly make the mistake of viewing things in simple terms. But if a man wakes up one morning identifying as a man, and wakes up the next morning identifying as a woman, how is that anything but a mental illness?" |
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Post by Bick on Mar 24, 2019 8:54:01 GMT -8
While I agree being gay comes with a certain amount of odd feelings by the 95+% of the population that is not gay, I question the degree of persecution that allegedly necessarily comes with it as a widespread issue. I'm sure certain parts of the country display a higher degree of real (and illegal BTW) persecution than others.
Speaking for myself only, I have no real problem with a guy deciding he's gay at some point. My ex-brother in law did exactly that AFTER having a child with my sister. Did I instantly accept it without ridicule? No. But that was a function of my own ignorance. At the end of the day, however, I do subscribe to the notion that the heart knows what it knows.
What MDD was referring to was this gender identity thing where a guy can switch back and forth based on which way the wind is blowing that day, and at one point referred to the problem he would have with a guy walking into a public bathroom after his young daughters or granddaughters. I'm not at all good with how this has transpired, and have had to deal with this on more than one occasion in my line of work. In my case, I think the real mental illness rests with the governmental agency that requires that I allow multiple occupants in a bathroom instead of installing a lock on the door for single use.
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Post by MDDad on Mar 24, 2019 9:43:18 GMT -8
Not4u13, Bick is correct. My comment was not an attempt to describe people who suddenly recognize or accept their homosexuality. Rather, it was about those people for whom the gender they identify with can change every day of the week.
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Post by davidsf on Mar 25, 2019 17:14:47 GMT -8
My step daughter has announced she is a lesbian, except her announcement was “my roommate and I are dating.”
So here’s the deal. I’ve known her since she was six and I’ve been her stepfather since she was seven. Not that I’m anything spectacular, but it is safe to say she had no positive male role models in her life until I came along: - Her biological,father is a manipulative douche bag philanderer who cheated on the family with his secretary, but insisted his wife stay with him and allow his filandering...
- Her maternal grandfather is a sexual predator,who,molested his daughter (my wife’s sister) and his step,daughter.
- Her step,grandfather (my wife’s step father) is an emotionless rigid former marine.
She had her heart set on one guy in High School, but he didn’t feel “that way” for her. Then, she decided a boy she met in New York (who lived in Delaware) was the one, so began a long-distance relationship until she got to spend some extended time with him and found a fatal flaw with him. During this time, she also started inventing crap about me and decided she would n longer talk to me or interact with me in any way...
for college, which her father was paying for so we had no say in it, she went to a very liberal “corporate” college and within a few weeks started questioning if things like homosexuality or abortion were even wrong.
a few years back, she decided she was gay. Her girlfriend is a codependent mess: My step,daughter cannot leave her alone for,extended periods so even visits down here to her mother, girlfriend comes along... and resents thatntehy are not allowed to sleep,in the same room.
she was not “born that way.” For,lack,of a better term, she was “trained” to be a lesbian and her insecurities and make role models allowed,her to make the switch.
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Post by Bick on Mar 25, 2019 17:28:26 GMT -8
That's rough to read Dave. Appreciate you sharing.
As for your last point, intuitively I'm in agreement. But even if she were "trained" that way, I don't see how it really matters...notwithstanding the dysfunctional set of circumstances she was exposed to prior to that choice.
In other words, the argument that being gay is a choice v some form of genetic predisposition doesn't really move the needle for me either way.
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Post by SK80 on Mar 25, 2019 18:10:49 GMT -8
Ya this is a tough one, over all my years I have seen those whom I truly believe were born with what it is that they feel. i have also experienced some cases in which I believe environment has supported a notion or feeling and swayed a person into lifestyle not much different than any click... ultimately I have decided that is not my battle to partake. I will say in all my experiences when i see real love between two people in any regard I give the benefit of the or "MY" doubt. It is not fir me to judge.
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