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Post by davidsf on Jun 5, 2019 8:11:06 GMT -8
So, here’s the way things went (in my imagination):
Mueller reports to the overlords he can find nothing on Trump or his campaign, and is under increasing pressure, even from democrats, to wrap it up.
Desperate, but understanding Mueller conundrum, the overlords grudgingly agree, but insist he at least leave SOME door open.
Mueller agrees and develops a weak-sauce excuse about how it wouldn’t be proper for his investigation to accuse a sitting president. He leaves a vague insinuatin about obstruction in his report so the democrats can grab at the straw.
Nadler leads the charge with his 15 minutes of fame because, given the 20 or so LUDICROUS candidates for the nomination, they fear Trump will be re-elected and, from a “something is better than nothing” strategy, need to keep this fool’s gambit floating like a turd in the pool until closer to the election.
I might be a little off on some of the details, but I’m sure this is why all this fuss and bluster: Much ado about nothing.
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Post by Credo on Jun 5, 2019 18:35:09 GMT -8
You pretty much nailed it. Mueller's entire operation was always and only an impeachment info-gathering job. It won't work and Robert Mueller will go down in history as the head dirty cop in the D.C. Establishment failed coup plot.
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Post by Credo on Jun 12, 2019 10:18:02 GMT -8
This morning Rep. Devin Nunes exposes the Mueller report for the Democrat hit piece that it is and was always meant to be.
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Post by not4u13 on Jun 23, 2019 6:38:49 GMT -8
Sorry. I don't post often and this thread has taken a different turn, but I'd like to go back to some of the earlier comments/questions about Trump's ethics for a moment. I find it quite surprising that people don't understand how much of a crook and con man Trump was and is. He makes no bones about either. I realize that everyone defines ethics a bit differently. How he has viewed immigrants and what he says about them on Twitter, as the leader of the free world, is unethical. Lumping them all into one basket, knowing full well it will shape how the American people think and feel about immigrants. He dehumanizes them on purpose in order to get what he wants.
He uses people as pawns, hiring and firing them. Turning on his "friends" or colleagues if they don't fall in lock step. That prevents him from seeing alternatives to his approaches that could actually be better. He would only make it in a company he runs (or a company run like he runs his). Most corporations today would not tolerate that kind of behavior and it goes against their ethics policies.
He loves a good quid pro quo. That ultimately his goal.
His approach to negotiations is also unethical. He creates a bad situation from his position of power and then tries to leverage that to get what he wants. Some people like that and it used to be thought of as a good way to get what you want. It's no longer thought to be a good long term approach. Your "opponent" in the negotiation will do things to forgo the pain, but the memory of the pain lasts and the erosion of trust prevents the ability to make a good deal in the future. What goes around, comes around. I like the way Chris Voss approaches negotiations. If you don't know who he is, check this out.
A lot of folks like what Trump is doing with Tariffs. It's a strong arm position. He doesn't really like tariffs and doesn't want to have to impose them. The ultimately hurt our economy, but he is using them liberally in order to create leverage for a negotiation. What he has won with the tariffs (and threats) has been of questionable value.
With respect to Mueller. I'm not surprised to see most hear now work to discredit Mueller, especially since the meaning of his report is more well understood. Trump made several attempts to obstruct the investigation. Why are we so surprised by that? We know he thought it was a witch hunt. He wanted it over and was even more angry when he learned that he was being investigated. He doesn't understand the law and he tried to do things like he would do them in business. Fire the people who didn't do his bidding. It's that simple folks. He didn't set out to hide anything or do anything wrong, but his general lack of ethics didn't allow him to see what he was doing WAS wrong and WAS illegal. So here we are ...
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Post by SK80 on Jun 23, 2019 7:42:58 GMT -8
So here we are, "Ethics 101" in governmnet. I think we as a people have created a system where ethics is or good ethics is almost impossible to attain to stay ahead and keep in power. There is just too much greed and power to be had. Winning and losing at all cost. This again is why I am for limited government. Tis beast is just too big, too ugly and yes mostly unethical. I can hardly say it is any different whether Trump or the Clintons hold power. Can you?
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Post by Credo on Jun 26, 2019 9:17:29 GMT -8
Apparently Robert Mueller has agreed to testify in open session to a joint House Cte. on July 17. Expect the media to build this up to "Who shot J.R.?" expectations and proportions---and it will backfire on their impeachment and collusion fantasy.
This is going to be a major "own goal" by the Democrats....and Robert Mueller will put a nail into the coffin of whatever is left remaining of his "sterling integrity"--which wasn't much to begin with.
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Post by davidsf on Jun 26, 2019 12:10:13 GMT -8
Apparently Robert Mueller has agreed to testify in open session to a joint House Cte. on July 17. Expect the media to build this up to "Who shot J.R.?" expectations and proportions---and it will backfire on their impeachment and collusion fantasy. This is going to be a major "own goal" by the Democrats....and Robert Mueller will put a nail into the coffin of whatever is left remaining of his "sterling integrity"--which wasn't much to begin with. So what became of Mueller’s swan song last month that was all he was going to say, and take no questions... after which, he was going to close his office and retire? did he have his fingers crossed behind his back?
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Post by Credo on Jun 26, 2019 22:59:25 GMT -8
This hasn't been widely reported in the mainstream media (for obvious reasons) but is well documented: On May 16, 2017, the day before Robert Mueller was appointed and announced publicly as Special Counsel, he was taken by Deputy A.G. Rod Rosenstein to the Oval Office to interview with President Trump to possibly replace the fired James Comey as FBI Director (the job he previously held from 2001-2013). This alone would disqualify him from taking the position of Special Counsel, as he would become a witness in his own case of possible obstruction of justice. The Conservative Treehouse website has a great piece summarizing all the details of this unbelievable situation and laying out a pretty good idea of why this happened. Likely it was all a case of reconnaissance against Trump and part of the dirty tricks campaign the FBI/CIA/DOJ had been running on Trump since early 2016. When Mueller testifies these are the questions he needs to be asked--and then the entire house of cards falls apart: ♦On May 16, 2017, were you applying to become FBI Director? ♦Why did you go to the White House? ♦When did Rod Rosenstein contact you about going to the White House? ♦When did Rod Rosenstein first contact you about becoming special counsel? ♦Did you speak to any members of the DOJ or FBI prior to going to the White House? ♦Were there conversations about a possible ‘special counsel position’ prior to May 16th, 2017? ♦Were you aware President Trump was under investigation prior to your conversation of May 16th, with President Trump? ♦Were you aware of the nature of the investigation, prior to May 16, 2017? ♦Were you aware of the possibility of being appointed ‘special counsel’? ♦Did you take any recording devices into the Oval Office meeting? ♦Did you own the cell phone you left in the Oval Office on May 16, 2017? The cell phone he "accidentally" left behind in the Oval Office was mentioned (mysteriously) by Deputy FBI Director Andrew McCabe in his own tell-all book after his firing for lying to the IG. He, of course, was one of the ringleaders of the cabal that whitewashed the Hillary email case, started the investigation of Trump during the 2016 campaign, and has since been fired. Full story and background here: theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/06/26/dershowitz-democrats-will-regret-calling-mueller-to-testify/#more-165535This whole Russia Collusion accusation has been a set-up from the very beginning, based on ZERO credible evidence, in an attempt to cover up the years-long project of illegal domestic spying undertaken by the FBI/CIA under Barack Obama.
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Post by Credo on Jul 24, 2019 8:05:50 GMT -8
Been watching much of Mueller's testimony this morning, and--like I thought all along--he was mostly a clueless figurehead.
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Post by SK80 on Jul 24, 2019 8:14:12 GMT -8
Dog & Pony Show.... entry fee covered by your tax dollars....
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Post by Credo on Jul 24, 2019 8:25:43 GMT -8
What an absolute joke and waste of time this entire farce has been. Today's hearing completely backfired on the Democrats.
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Post by Bick on Jul 24, 2019 8:33:34 GMT -8
Miller Lite Commercial from the 70-80's
Taste Great = No Collusion Less Filling = Not Exonerated
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Post by scarleg on Jul 24, 2019 8:42:55 GMT -8
Today's proceedings were a complete waste of taxpayer money and Mueller looks like he should be sipping Ice Tea on his front porch swing instead of looking like a Deer in headlights after each question.
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Post by Credo on Jul 24, 2019 8:44:53 GMT -8
This tells you how bad Mueller's testimony went. Even liberal Trump-hater Laurence Tribe (Harvard Law School professor emeritus), who has previously called for the President's impeachment, calls it a disaster. And I don't care how many times the Democrats want to laud Mueller's "service to our country," I don't feel sorry one bit for how his entire career and reputation is getting flushed down the toilet today. He was conflicted from the start of this charade and never should have taken the job. He is the epitome of the D.C. Swap: tired, arrogant, self-serving, and generally incompetent.
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Post by Credo on Jul 24, 2019 8:54:59 GMT -8
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