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Post by Bick on Apr 12, 2020 7:36:40 GMT -8
Hello Best. Do you think those bans would extend into rural areas? There are parts of the US that eating squirrel and possum are part of the diet. It’s hard to say. The bans would surely go into effect in every place, but law enforcement has always been a problem in rural areas of China. Maybe bats will be strictly banned after this pandemic, but for other animals... Personally I’m not very optimistic about the enforcement in rural areas. I'd agree that enforcement in rural areas is close to impossible in any country. I think the bigger issue might be the cooking method of the various animals, as heating to a certain temperature will kill most virus and bacteria, be they rats, cats, bats, pigs or cows. Same issue in every country. This isn't exclusive to China, and it's naive for anyone to think otherwise. Where are you from in China, and how did you come upon this website? Glad to have you here. |
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Post by SK80 on Apr 12, 2020 7:49:09 GMT -8
Are they really going to enforce this? Also, if this truly is due to the "prevention of disease transmission from animals to humans" shouldn't they actually be focusing on wild animals, i.e. bats? Good for dogs though Perhaps I can give you the answer, as a Chinese.
Chinese government is going to ban people from eating wild animals like bats. The law is now a draft, publicly collecting comments. It lists 31 categories of animals which are allowed to be bred and eaten. Dog is not on the list, and that's why there is the news.
However, eating dogs has been a tradition in some places for hundreds of years (or maybe thousands), so many people are against banning it. So I doubt whether the ban on dog-eating would finally be enforced. But I'm pretty sure bats are to be banned soon.
Welcome, thanks for the insight, if I may ask, are you Chinese-American or were you born in China and residing in China. Or actually living in China or elsewhere? I could imagine a ban like this in a country the size of China would be hard to enforce outside any major city. Traditions don't go away at the snap of a finger. Would local authorities is out lying regions really enforce and/or prosecute? As for bats, I suppose this would be more accepted as laws move forward with a populous whom I would think see the dangers with such an animal. Or should I say I would hope they would see...? |
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Post by bestwishes on Apr 12, 2020 19:05:50 GMT -8
I'd agree that enforcement in rural areas is close to impossible in any country. I think the bigger issue might be the cooking method of the various animals, as heating to a certain temperature will kill most virus and bacteria, be they rats, cats, bats, pigs or cows. Same issue in every country. This isn't exclusive to China, and it's naive for anyone to think otherwise. Where are you from in China, and how did you come upon this website? Glad to have you here. Cooking method doesn’t seem to be a big problem in China for Chinese really rarely eat raw meat. But it’s still dangerous during hunting, shipping, and dealing. Now I live in the east of China, in a province named Zhejiang (浙江). I’ve actually been to the US once, as an international student for one semester in 2018, in Topeka, Kansas. And I loved that place; the people I met there were super-friendly. I was curious about how westerners thought about COVID-19, so I searched on Bing and saw another forum on ProBoards. But the staff of it refused my registration and even banned my access (probably they think my IP is suspicious). So I had a look of other forums on ProBoards and found my way here. Though later I found this forum is more about American politics than other everyday topics, I just like the atmosphere here  |
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Post by bestwishes on Apr 12, 2020 19:26:08 GMT -8
Welcome, thanks for the insight, if I may ask, are you Chinese-American or were you born in China and residing in China. Or actually living in China or elsewhere? I could imagine a ban like this in a country the size of China would be hard to enforce outside any major city. Traditions don't go away at the snap of a finger. Would local authorities is out lying regions really enforce and/or prosecute? As for bats, I suppose this would be more accepted as laws move forward with a populous whom I would think see the dangers with such an animal. Or should I say I would hope they would see...? I’ve studied in Topeka, Kansas for one semester in 2018, but now I’m just a Chinese living in China. Prosecuting ordinary people eating wild animals really seems unlikely. The authorities may prosecute those who breed or sell wild animals in larger quantities instead. But still, that depends on the development. If years later people gradually forget this pandemic, then I suppose the authorities in those regions may simply ignore it. As for bats, I’m pretty sure people have realized its danger, but for other wild animals... just hopefully they would see. |
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Post by Bick on Apr 12, 2020 22:20:29 GMT -8
Cooking method doesn’t seem to be a big problem in China for Chinese really rarely eat raw meat. But it’s still dangerous during hunting, shipping, and dealing. Now I live in the east of China, in a province named Zhejiang (浙江). I was curious about how westerners thought about COVID-19, so I searched on Bing and saw another forum on ProBoards. But the staff of it refused my registration and even banned my access (probably they think my IP is suspicious). So I had a look of other forums on ProBoards and found my way here. Though later I found this forum is more about American politics than other everyday topics, I just like the atmosphere here QQ.Com email is linked to bots and spam, but it's also the mainstream in China. I'm interested in your take on covid 19. Do you think the #s coming from China are accurate? |
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Post by bestwishes on Apr 12, 2020 22:50:33 GMT -8
QQ.Com email is linked to bots and spam, but it's also the mainstream in China. I'm interested in your take on covid 19. Do you think the #s coming from China are accurate? Well, I don’t think it’s because of my email because I used hotmail.com to register for the first time. But anyway, they must have their reason. The numbers can’t be accurate, because many people died in Wuhan were not tested and were not counted in the official number. But I don’t think the government have intentionally hidden the real number. During the past two months every local government in China took extremely strict measures to contain the virus, far stricter than any European country or the US. So the numbers seem convincing for me, though it surely didn’t and couldn’t include all the cases. |
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Post by Bick on Apr 12, 2020 22:56:40 GMT -8
That's interesting, as anyone who once drank a Corona beer and died recently seems to be added to the covid death stats.
The media here has a credibility problem, so it makes me wonder how much of stuff like this is accurate.
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Post by bestwishes on Apr 13, 2020 3:32:24 GMT -8
That's interesting, as anyone who once drank a Corona beer and died recently seems to be added to the covid death stats. The media here has a credibility problem, so it makes me wonder how much of stuff like this is accurate. The media (and the authorities) in China has the very same problem. That's why we need more communication, like this  |
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Post by SK80 on Apr 13, 2020 5:45:36 GMT -8
The media here has a credibility problem, so it makes me wonder how much of stuff like this is accurate. Very interesting stuff...., Topeka! My wife's family is from western Kansas, real farmers! Regarding "the media" as Bick explains, a HUGE credibility problem, the same goes for the Chinese government, as we say out on the farm, "Two Peas in a Pod" are they!! |
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Post by SK80 on Apr 13, 2020 5:48:45 GMT -8
The media (and the authorities) in China has the very same problem. That's why we need more communication, like this Most certainly! However if I may ask..., do you as a Chinese citizen in China feel any reservation or concern with "talking" about or "writing" about what is going on in your country or on geo-political message boards like this? We always here about other countries and their censorship, blocking communications, controlling the narrative? |
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Post by Bick on Apr 13, 2020 5:52:40 GMT -8
The media (and the authorities) in China has the very same problem. That's why we need more communication, like this Do you also have 2 distinct groups of citizens within your country... One that wants the government to take care of them, and the other that wants the freedom to take care of themselves? |
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Post by Bick on Apr 13, 2020 6:07:25 GMT -8
Regarding "the media" as Bick explains, a HUGE credibility problem, the same goes for the Chinese government, as we say out on the farm, "Two Peas in a Pod" are they!! Our same media shapes our perspective of what happens in other countries. Other than free trade, I think global communication is about the only other time I'd have a globalist view on issues. Would be neat to have someone from Iran, Iraq, and / or Israel on board here to get their perspectives as well. The little travel I've done has me embarrassed at how little I knew of other countries' politics as compared to what they knew about ours. I couldn't name a single president of any of the countries I visited. |
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Post by MDDad on Apr 13, 2020 6:20:38 GMT -8
The little travel I've done has me embarrassed at how little I knew of other countries' politics as compared to what they knew about ours. I couldn't name a single president of any of the countries I visited. That's an important point I've tried to emphasize before. In my roughly 40 trips to the Netherlands and Germany, I was always amazed that the average guy could tell me about the political views and policy positions of individual members of our congress that I didn't even know. Very few Americans could do the same. I believe the American electorate is possibly the most generally and politically ignorant of all the advanced democracies. And ignorant citizens are the easiest to manipulate. |
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Post by bestwishes on Apr 13, 2020 22:11:22 GMT -8
Do you also have 2 distinct groups of citizens within your country... One that wants the government to take care of them, and the other that wants the freedom to take care of themselves? Not really. I think most people are somewhere between the two ends. For example, most Chinese supports the government's tough measures to contain the virus despite the inconvenience, for it saved many lives. But most Chinese (at least most young people) wouldn't like the strict censorship of films and games. It all depends.
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Post by bestwishes on Apr 13, 2020 23:08:00 GMT -8
Most certainly! However if I may ask..., do you as a Chinese citizen in China feel any reservation or concern with "talking" about or "writing" about what is going on in your country or on geo-political message boards like this? We always here about other countries and their censorship, blocking communications, controlling the narrative? That also depends. If I'm talking with someone privately in life, or writing on message boards like this (anonymous; run by foreigners), I won't feel any reservation or concern. If I'm writing on a Chinese website, then I will be a bit more reserved. But what really matters is the degree. For example, abusing the CPC is usually not allowed, but criticism like "I think the censorship of games now is too strict" seems to be fine. Normally, individuals won't be punished by the government for their comments online, but often radical posts will be deleted or even their account will sometimes be banned because those who run the websites don't want to get into trouble; and if they don't do so, they may get into trouble (usually that means their websites would be banned or their apps would be removed from App Store, temporarily or forever).
Besides, sometimes the government does control the narrative for a specific event. Like years ago, when CPC was going to abolish the presidential term limits, almost all the posts discussing this on mainstream websites were deleted. No one would get into prison for their criticisms, but people couldn't comment on that event online.
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