SK80
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Post by SK80 on Apr 14, 2020 6:40:43 GMT -8
Most certainly! However if I may ask..., do you as a Chinese citizen in China feel any reservation or concern with "talking" about or "writing" about what is going on in your country or on geo-political message boards like this? We always here about other countries and their censorship, blocking communications, controlling the narrative? That also depends. If I'm talking with someone privately in life, or writing on message boards like this (anonymous; run by foreigners), I won't feel any reservation or concern. If I'm writing on a Chinese website, then I will be a bit more reserved. But what really matters is the degree. For example, abusing the CPC is usually not allowed, but criticism like "I think the censorship of games now is too strict" seems to be fine. Normally, individuals won't be punished by the government for their comments online, but often radical posts will be deleted or even their account will sometimes be banned because those who run the websites don't want to get into trouble; and if they don't do so, they may get into trouble (usually that means their websites would be banned or their apps would be removed from App Store, temporarily or forever).
Besides, sometimes the government does control the narrative for a specific event. Like years ago, when CPC was going to abolish the presidential term limits, almost all the posts discussing this on mainstream websites were deleted. No one would get into prison for their criticisms, but people couldn't comment on that event online.
Sounds like Facebook, Twitter and TOB  |
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Post by bestwishes on Apr 14, 2020 7:56:32 GMT -8
Sounds like Facebook, Twitter and TOB So we add one more evidence to the subject of this thread  |
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Post by Bick on Apr 14, 2020 7:59:24 GMT -8
That also depends. If I'm talking with someone privately in life, or writing on message boards like this (anonymous; run by foreigners), I won't feel any reservation or concern. If I'm writing on a Chinese website, then I will be a bit more reserved. But what really matters is the degree. For example, abusing the CPC is usually not allowed, but criticism like "I think the censorship of games now is too strict" seems to be fine. Normally, individuals won't be punished by the government for their comments online, but often radical posts will be deleted or even their account will sometimes be banned because those who run the websites don't want to get into trouble; and if they don't do so, they may get into trouble (usually that means their websites would be banned or their apps would be removed from App Store, temporarily or forever). Besides, sometimes the government does control the narrative for a specific event. Like years ago, when CPC was going to abolish the presidential term limits, almost all the posts discussing this on mainstream websites were deleted. No one would get into prison for their criticisms, but people couldn't comment on that event online. Would your comments on this website be censored / viewed by CDC? |
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Post by bestwishes on Apr 14, 2020 17:00:53 GMT -8
Would your comments on this website be censored / viewed by CDC? I can’t say I’m 100% sure, but it seems unlikely. Censoring/viewing every website on the Internet or every word sent by Chinese seems impracticable, and I’ve never heard of any news suggesting they are doing so. |
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Post by Bick on Apr 17, 2020 6:46:47 GMT -8
Would your comments on this website be censored / viewed by CDC? I can’t say I’m 100% sure, but it seems unlikely. Censoring/viewing every website on the Internet or every word sent by Chinese seems impracticable, and I’ve never heard of any news suggesting they are doing so. Do you think China under reporting the covid-19 death toll by 50% was intentional, or that the virus itself was made in a lab? |
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Post by vilepagan on Apr 17, 2020 7:03:06 GMT -8
Bick, why are you asking if the virus was made in a lab? We know it was not made in a lab.
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Post by SK80 on Apr 17, 2020 7:19:47 GMT -8
Lets call it "HARVESTED" in a lab......, maybe nurtured or massaged...?
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Post by bestwishes on Apr 20, 2020 18:38:40 GMT -8
Do you think China under reporting the covid-19 death toll by 50% was intentional, or that the virus itself was made in a lab? My personal opinion: no and no. But who knows what the truth is? Maybe the rumours are true...who knows!
At first there were rumours saying it was made in a lab in Wuhan. Then there were conspiracy theories in China saying the virus was made in an American lab (USAMRIID) ("it was shut down because the virus leaked!"), or was spread by the US during Military World Games. My opinion is people are just inclined to blame another country when their own country get into trouble. What do you think of these rumours?
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Post by Bick on Apr 20, 2020 20:30:19 GMT -8
Iran claims it was US made also, so you're right... Who really knows?
Unless things are verifiable, I'm not much for rumors. But that's not the case for many I run across. We're a lazy race, us humans. With few exceptions, we think being entertained is more important than getting at the truth, or constructive conversation.
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Post by Credo on May 5, 2020 13:11:18 GMT -8
All we need now is our Tiananmen Square moment. Every single officer with their guns drawn here should be ashamed of themselves. The East German and Soviet police would have been proud of them.
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Post by Luca on May 5, 2020 13:31:17 GMT -8
Jesus Christ. That's an MRAP, a mine resistant personnel carrier designed for use in Afghanistan and Iraq to protect against IED's. You really need one of those in a situation like this? Why not bring in some Abrams and black helicopters?
Just when you think common sense is about to start making a come back..........................Luca
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Post by Bick on May 6, 2020 7:30:34 GMT -8
All we need now is our Tiananmen Square moment. Every single officer with their guns drawn here should be ashamed of themselves. The East German and Soviet police would have been proud of them. As bad as the optics are, the protestors were armed. Best way to avoid an armed conflict / bloodshed is to roll with overwhelming force. Cops need to have more firepower than any potential perpetrator. Tiananmen Square protestors were not armed. Not apples to apples. |
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Post by Credo on May 6, 2020 8:47:10 GMT -8
All we need now is our Tiananmen Square moment. Every single officer with their guns drawn here should be ashamed of themselves. The East German and Soviet police would have been proud of them. As bad as the optics are, the protestors were armed. Best way to avoid an armed conflict / bloodshed is to roll with overwhelming force. Cops need to have more firepower than any potential perpetrator. Tiananmen Square protestors were not armed. Not apples to apples. That's fair--up to a point. Perhaps I was too vague; I wasn't implying that particular incident was like Tiananmen Square. But the way things are going it's the next logical step. You can almost guarantee that all those armed protesters in Odessa--like the ones at the Michigan capital last week--had legal open carry permits. Did the police really think these guys posed a threat to the public? If we were really like China we would have never seen that footage since all cellphones and CTV feeds would have been confiscated and destroyed. |
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Post by Bick on May 6, 2020 9:48:47 GMT -8
Probably not a threat, but law enforcement isn't in the unnecessary risk taking business.
Would you want to show up armed with just your sidearm to stop a protest of guys armed with rifles?
Me neither.
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Post by Credo on May 6, 2020 10:26:39 GMT -8
And we're releasing criminals from jail to protect their safety.
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