RSM789
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Post by RSM789 on Mar 20, 2020 12:54:42 GMT -8
So yesterday, Governor Newsom & Mayor Garcetti issued orders mandating that all people who work in "non-essential" industries are to stay at home until further notice. Setting aside the definition of what is essential and how such a mandate would be enforced (deputizing all government employees?), I'd like to discuss the reasons given for issuing such a draconian order.
The number one reason give is that we must "flatten the curve", that we are trying to buy time in order to get the number of hospitals and respirators potentially needed in place. In other words, our local and state governments were not prepared for such a health emergency. Considering the more lethal viruses that have passed through our state and country over the past 2 decades, we have had enough time and warning to have a plan in place for such a future emergency. The fact that a plan was not in place, that a way to quickly ramp up needed beds and equipment had not been laid out shows incompetence in government. I believe President Trump referenced this when he talked about the overhaul they had to make to the existing systems on the federal side. There are very few things that government is entrusted to do and having a plan for a public health issue is one of them. So my conclusion is that the decision to issue these stay at home orders is based on Government failing to do its job.
Now my frustration with the government issuance of these orders is they took a "them problem" and solved it by making it an "us problem". Government solved a problem they created by destroying the way of life of everyone in the state, in other words creating problems for everyone else. It is similar to the police shutting down a freeway and all adjoining side streets in order to clean up a two car fender bender. Shutting all that down makes the police's job easier, they get to focus on the accident, but it creates a multitude of problems for everyone else. What normally happens instead is the minimum amount of lanes are closed in order to create the smallest impact possible upon everyone else. These orders ignore that, they are done to make the job easier for government (including the CDC) at the expense of making life more difficult for everyone else. The government is making decisions entirely based on CDC recommendations, which by nature ignore economic health or civil liberties. They would not had been needed had government been done what it was supposed to do, be prepared to react to a health issue without forcing the country to come to a standstill.
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Post by davidsf on Mar 20, 2020 13:01:59 GMT -8
Agree with RSM...
Also, I do not believe all this tempest is only about containing the Corona virus. We might never know what this is covering up, but it is something else... maybe something that has nothing to do with a virus.
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Post by SK80 on Mar 22, 2020 7:55:54 GMT -8
Some good questions need to be asked...., whether by the China Flu or the reaction to it we are now in a crisis. There just seems to be more and more creedence to the notions being floated that something doesn't add up...., burning the strongest economy on earth to the ground during an election year, wiping out the previous 4 years of successes in a week, and at the root is Americas modern day adversary, not Russia but CHINA. March 22, 2020
What did Dr. Fauci have to say in 2009 about the deadly H1N1 pandemic?
www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/03/what_did_dr_fauci_have_to_say_in_2009_about_the_deadly_h1n1_pandemic.html
It seems some viral infection pandemics are more equal than others. At least when it comes to burning a vibrant Trump economy to the ground.
In September 2009, after millions had become infected with the H1N1 influenza and thousands had died, some of whom were young people and children, a relaxed and unalarmed Dr. Anthony Fauci told an interviewer that people just need "to use good judgment."
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Post by davidsf on Mar 22, 2020 8:47:05 GMT -8
Bringing our economy down has been George Soros intent for decades...
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Post by RSM789 on Mar 22, 2020 12:01:49 GMT -8
There are most likely plenty of factors that played into this, most having to do with the lefts idea that a recession would hurt Trumps chances of re-election. Hence the liberal folks willing to go along with the draconian measures put upon us by the Federal & state governments.
This all comes down to failure to plan at the Federal & state level. Not by any individual, but by the entire government. Having a plan in place to activate private companies into making temporary hospital type settings and manufacturing respirators would have meant no need to "flatten the curve". With that not needed, we would have had self quarantine by the high risk groups, increased awareness updates by the government and the rest of us would have gone about our business. No panic, no crashing the economy, no destruction of civil liberties.
For this scenario, government had 1 job, to plan.
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Post by MDDad on Mar 22, 2020 12:29:25 GMT -8
For this scenario, government had 1 job, to plan. While I agree, it's easy to say this now, as hindsight is always 20/20. I don't remember anyone anywhere calling for massive resources to be spent on pandemic planning before all this started. This one's really on the Chinese. |
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Post by RSM789 on Mar 22, 2020 12:48:30 GMT -8
For this scenario, government had 1 job, to plan. While I agree, it's easy to say this now, as hindsight is always 20/20. I don't remember anyone anywhere calling for massive resources to be spent on pandemic planning before all this started. This one's really on the Chinese. The virus is on the Chinese, the response is on our federal & state governments. We have had numerous virus's over the past 2 decades, all of them worse than Covid-19, so the idea of another one was not a surprise. Federal & State governments spending time and resources on issues outside their main directive and failing to do what they exist for (have plans in place for emergencies) is why these same governments have chosen the path of shutting everything down. They had a problem (potential lack of beds & respirators) created by them by no planning and they solved it by creating a problem for the rest of our society (crashing the economy & chipping away at civil liberties). Over the next 2 years, Governor Newsom and everybody else in California government will not suffer a single bit. Their income levels will be exactly the same if not higher and their buying power will be increased due to bankrupt companies and individuals selling products, properties and anything else at pennies on the dollar. They took a problem that they created and "solved" it by creating a problem for nearly everyone but themselves, of which they will profit. Watch how many government employees buy second homes over the next year as prices crash. |
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Post by SK80 on Mar 22, 2020 12:49:50 GMT -8
For this scenario, government had 1 job, to plan. While I agree, it's easy to say this now, as hindsight is always 20/20. I don't remember anyone anywhere calling for massive resources to be spent on pandemic planning before all this started. This one's really on the Chinese. Yup..... its 2020  <~~~~ CHINESE! Maybe the stay order at home is as many suspect more than just the virus, yes the virus is real, yes the virus originated in CHINA..., by chance our advisory of the times...? China has watched Trump not only stand up to them yet kick their butts and expose their inhumane regime. Does our government see this as a possible time in which China would act militarily? Are we being locked down at home for MORE than ONE reason? |
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Post by RSM789 on Mar 22, 2020 12:58:58 GMT -8
...massive resources to be spent on pandemic planning before all this started... Planning doesn't require massive resources, it requires foresight, co-ordination & will. The government wouldn't be creating these temporary hospitals or building respirators, they would just have the relationships in place to initiate the process that would be done by private industry. It is a matter of being proactive to a problem as opposed to reactive. That is not expensive, we have it in place (I believe) for war time scenarios. Trump alluded to this when he talked about the old system being unusable and that the had to strip it down & rebuild it. Previous federal governments never seriously looked at what would be needed to be done, only those in power currently did in the past few weeks when they were forced to. |
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Post by MDDad on Mar 22, 2020 13:26:48 GMT -8
...massive resources to be spent on pandemic planning before all this started... Planning doesn't require massive resources, it requires foresight, co-ordination & will. The government wouldn't be creating these temporary hospitals or building respirators, they would just have the relationships in place to initiate the process that would be done by private industry. It is a matter of being proactive to a problem as opposed to reactive. That is not expensive, we have it in place (I believe) for war time scenarios. I disagree. If you define "planning" as the completion of the preparation process so that it can be turned on with short notice, it would be very expensive. Yes, we have it in place for the military, but only because the military already exists, at enormous public expense. What private industry, or private company, is going to spend the time, resources and money to set up the supply chains, facilities, assembly lines, distribution networks and trained personnel to prepare for a pandemic, and then hopefully never use them, unless it is entirely funded by government?. And by that I mean you and me. Yes, we've had pandemics touch us before, and many believe all of them were of greater potential medical risk than this one. THIS IS A MANUFACTURED CRISIS. The reasons for its manufacture are open to debate, but the overreaction to its threat are not, and I suspect the last thing those who engineered this crisis would want is a country in a state of preparedness. And if you're reading this, bostondave, this is how two people debate, you dumbass. |
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Post by Bick on Mar 22, 2020 13:32:38 GMT -8
How about we lay off the name calling?
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Post by RSM789 on Mar 22, 2020 14:45:51 GMT -8
I disagree. If you define "planning" as the completion of the preparation process so that it can be turned on with short notice, it would be very expensive... ...THIS IS A MANUFACTURED CRISIS. ... the last thing those who engineered this crisis would want is a country in a state of preparedness. Going second point first, I agree that the crisis is manufactured. The only difference is I don't see it as a plot, more as general incompetence and ineptitude at the federal and state level. I define planning as having the reactionary steps in place, in writing. For example, the buildings that are being turned into temporary hospitals are just identified as that in the plan, nothing is done to them prior to the need. The plan would be along the lines of "If the need for additional hospital beds are needed, companies A, B & C will be contacted to begin the process of turning their hotels and convention spaces into portable hospital beds". A requirement list could be made as to standards, but basically the companies A,B & C know that in an emergency, the state government will be relying on them to create the additional beds needed (compensated for such costs at the time it occurs). I don't see that costing much financially to have in place. It is nothing more than a thought out & written contingency plan, one that California didn't have in place a month ago. |
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Post by SK80 on Mar 22, 2020 15:05:52 GMT -8
MDDad said "dumbass"..... Dad, can you just use sign language or another mean to get that across...... suggestion.....,  |
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