davidsf
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Post by davidsf on Feb 26, 2019 18:28:18 GMT -8
To give you a little background, the United Methodist Church (UMC) General Conference is worldwide. As you’d expect, the western representatives are not as conservative as those in the rest of the world, principally in Europe and Africa. For some time, decades as I understand it, the UMC has been pretty ambiguous regarding ordaining homosexual clergy and performing same sex marriages. Their Bishops were supposed to be studying the issue, even though their “Book of Disciplines” specifically proscribes such behavior. This “special conference” was called to resolve this and other issues and the vote is now in. the quote is from an article in Churchleaders magazinein my opinion, this is the only Biblically based decision, but I question why they even had to call special session to make it. This is is a church, and a church is supposed to be guided by the Holy Spirit. This kind of issue is not even secondary... it’s minor, or what I consider “a non-essential” issue. if you read the article, you will see a lot of the same liberal tactics we see when we try to argue with liberals... it it saddens me
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Post by ProfessorFate on Feb 26, 2019 20:50:29 GMT -8
Yeah, that would be the we know better attitude by the liberals. I saw that in the Episcopal Church. The Episcopal church leaders on our east coast forced through liberal policies including ordaining an openly gay Bishop among other things. Their attitude was we know better than those Conservative Episcopalians. They'll bitch and moan for a while and eventually they'll accept it. Not sure that happened. I believe many churches broke away, and I went back to my Catholic roots. What happened after that I can't say.
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Post by Credo on Feb 26, 2019 21:22:34 GMT -8
Ironically, in some of these theologically conflicted Protestant churches it is precisely the Third World branches in Africa and Asia that may be forced to "re-evangelize" those in Europe and the U.S. who have drifted from the clear Gospel teaching in these areas of sexual morality.
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Post by davidsf on Feb 27, 2019 7:21:11 GMT -8
Ironically, in some of these theologically conflicted Protestant churches it is precisely the Third World branches in Africa and Asia that may be forced to "re-evangelize" those in Europe and the U.S. who have drifted from the clear Gospel teaching in these areas of sexual morality. You’re right, Credo. In point of fact, we in the United States have been the recipients of foreign Christian evangelists and missionaries for over a decade, now.
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Post by davidsf on Mar 4, 2019 7:29:59 GMT -8
Today’s church (speaking primarily about church in America) is getting better, but it has been my observation that the role of the Holy Spirit (to bring people in) has been supplanted by mans “better ideas” on how to do that.
We’ve seen it in virtually all the mainline denominations including the Catholic Church, the Presbyterian, Episcopalian, and now, the Methodists. We also see it in eccliastical movements such as “New Age” and “Emergent” “Christian” philosophies (which are not necessarily Christian from my perspective).
I believe the intent is to contemporize the traditional theology making it more relevant to today’s culture, in an effort to curb this current falling away from “organized religion” (of which the church is seen a part).
Even so-called mega churches are on the wane.
A result of this is, those who consider themselves followers of Christ (a.k.a “Christians”) become more introspective than outreaching and are frequently tempted to fight against other denominations instead of building each other, and especially non-believers up.
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Post by Credo on Mar 15, 2019 21:08:40 GMT -8
The UMC getting some more attention for that vote (this headline could also be filed under "the liberal mindset"). Sounds like the PC crowd's reaction to the Proposition 8 vote in California in 2008, in which the people voted the "wrong" way.
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