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Post by Bick on Mar 28, 2020 11:13:19 GMT -8
Was thinking about the difference in the engagement levels of BDave and Vile here on this site as opposed to the site that is more in line with their way of thinking. Combined, they've posted here about 250 times v. 15 times over there. Some of that can be attributed to the limited number of active topics there, which are essentially all Orange Man Bad, just dissected in slightly different ways.
I'm sure there's some clinical reason why the usual 3 suspects over there continue to pound away on the same subject ad nauseum, and think it's aligned with what the social media platforms having figured out through their algorithms that have things you've shown an interest in, regularly show up on your feed.
But what's interesting to me is the extent to which we passionately engage with things that trigger a negative response, or disagree with. Clearly a micro sample size with BD and Vile, but I don't think it's that much of a reach to think we engage by a factor of 10x more on the negative than the positive.
Assuming this is even close to being accurate, what would the world look like if that were reduced in half?
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Post by RSM789 on Mar 29, 2020 13:06:34 GMT -8
... what would the world look like if that were reduced in half? I misread that at first and thought you had gone all Thanos on us and were going to snap your infinity stones covered fingers. I'm not sure if I can answer that, I do feel the behavior of BejingDave & VP show the difference between the left & the right, a difference that has played out on these two forums. Right leaning people felt they weren't getting a fair shake, so they left and started their own. Left leaning folks aren't happy enough to have a land of their own, they feel the need to invade that of the folks they chased away. I believe that is human nature just exhibited through the perspective of ones political ideology. After all, you moved your own posts into the mosh pit. Can you imagine JQP ever doing such a move, in any way undercutting his authoritarian rule? |
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Post by MDDad on Mar 29, 2020 13:25:55 GMT -8
I'm not sure if I can answer that, I do feel the behavior of BejingDave & VP show the difference between the left & the right, a difference that has played out on these two forums. Right leaning people felt they weren't getting a fair shake, so they left and started their own. Left leaning folks aren't happy enough to have a land of their own, they feel the need to invade that of the folks they chased away. RSM is correct. That paragraph restates what I said a couple months ago: Conservatives' attitude is "Do whatever the hell you want, just leave me alone." Liberals feel, "No, I know best. You have to believe everything I do or you're a dinosaur and a racist." And lately, it seems they can't express that philosophy without flailing their arms like a spastic chicken. |
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Post by SK80 on Mar 29, 2020 13:32:15 GMT -8
And lately, it seems they can't express that philosophy without flailing their arms like a spastic chicken.  |
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Post by davidsf on Mar 29, 2020 13:57:00 GMT -8
Isn’t this very close to what I’ve been saying?
As RSM pointed out, these people are not satisfied to just chase us off, and they repeatedly demonstrate they lack both the interest and the capacity to engage intelligently on any given topic (with rare exceptions duly noted)...
That leaves some other motive for VILE-boy to be here and for him to try to pad our membership with equally lame poster-children for the ardent, mindless drone gang.
My observation is, that motive is to drag this community down to the level he dragged his own echo-chamber and, now, the level to which he and Brad (et al) have reduced TOB. Also from,my observation, we play right onto his agenda by responding to the turds he floats in our pool.
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Post by RSM789 on Mar 29, 2020 14:30:44 GMT -8
Dave, I think the difference is that I believe that many on the left don't act that way in order to be destructive, the destruction is just a side effect of their choice of actions. In other words, I believe that JQP didn't set out to destroy his website or drive away opposing viewpoints, but the actions he takes based on his decisions leads to the end result he gets. JQP wants a thriving site, he wants alot of activity, he just doesn't run it in such way to allow that to happen.
It is like wanting a green & lush lawn, but being against the idea of watering or fertilizing.
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Post by Bick on Mar 29, 2020 14:33:49 GMT -8
What I was getting at by starting this thread, was a reflection of how many of the collective "us" engage more with the things that we disagree with, than agree with by a huge margin. What's concerning, is how our strings are getting pulled on this in both the social and broadcast media. We've already discussed at length how the mainstream media fawns all over itself trying to make mountains out of ant hills. But it seems to be even worse in the social media world of FB and Twitter, where what you seem to detest (and engage with) most is what floods your feeds.
BD & VP were just examples of guys who prefer negative engagement with non-liberals over positively engaging with their like minded tribe. I don't think they're all that unique.
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Post by Bick on Mar 29, 2020 14:38:33 GMT -8
... what would the world look like if that were reduced in half? I misread that at first and thought you had gone all Thanos on us and were going to snap your infinity stones covered fingers. I'm not sure if I can answer that, I do feel the behavior of BejingDave & VP show the difference between the left & the right, a difference that has played out on these two forums. Right leaning people felt they weren't getting a fair shake, so they left and started their own. Left leaning folks aren't happy enough to have a land of their own, they feel the need to invade that of the folks they chased away. I believe that is human nature just exhibited through the perspective of ones political ideology. After all, you moved your own posts into the mosh pit. Can you imagine JQP ever doing such a move, in any way undercutting his authoritarian rule? If you can't admit you're wrong in a semi-anonymous forum like this, I can't imagine what life must be like for an individual like that. |
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Post by MDDad on Mar 29, 2020 14:54:54 GMT -8
What I was getting at by starting this thread, was a reflection of how many of the collective "us" engage more with the things that we disagree with, than agree with by a huge margin. I'm not convinced that isn't partly a result of gender. Women can discuss for days things like painting the nursery and their favorite nail colors. Guys seem much more attuned to facing conflict, and you can't have conflict without disagreement. We're drawn to it because maybe it provides some kind of primal reaffirmation that we're men. |
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Post by davidsf on Mar 29, 2020 15:04:31 GMT -8
Dave, I think the difference is that I believe that many on the left don't act that way in order to be destructive, the destruction is just a side effect of their choice of actions. In other words, I believe that JQP didn't set out to destroy his website or drive away opposing viewpoints, but the actions he takes based on his decisions leads to the end result he gets. JQP wants a thriving site, he wants alot of activity, he just doesn't run it in such way to allow that to happen. It is like wanting a green & lush lawn, but being against the idea of watering or fertilizing. We (you and I) don’t disagree on most of this. I also think Brad is functioning above his competency level. When he and ParrotPaul and Mrs. ParrotPaul were working on that defeat the El Toro Airport project, they were amongst like-minded people all working towards a common goal. Maybe some disagreement but it was quickly dispatched, from what I saw. He started TOB as an adjunct to that social consciousness gathering as a way to keep in touch but also figured to pad the membership rolls with us, most of whom were invited by Paul after OCRegister forum tanked. what I do not believe he was prepared for was disagreement: He couldn’t deal with it effectively so cast about for other means to control his forum, eventually finding Vile-Boy (of which, I am guilty, I’m afraid) who was busy tanking his own forum. to Bick’s point, though, we do like to argue and people like Vile-Boy and Bouncing Dave present us a good opportunity to do so (or, in your case, a good opportunity to point out how ridiculous they can be, which they still don’t get). Oh sure, it is great t argue here amongst ourselves over different tentacles of the same octopus, but a real argument needs a real opponent so yes, we do engage those liberals, but maybe it is because we are hoping they can give us a good argument (?). |
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